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Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME
Date 2022-02-07 22:23 +1100
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On 07-Feb-22 5:34 am, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 11:49:36 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else
> wrote:
>> On 04-Feb-22 4:01 am, Ken Seto wrote:
>>> 
>>> He said that: “time is what the clock shows” This definition is
>>> screwed up.This definition implies that a unit of clock time such
>>> as a clock second represent the same amount of time in different
>>> frames......unfortunately it does not. In real life each clock
>>> accumulate clock seconds at different rates. That means that a
>>> cck second)lock second is not a set amount of time in different
>>> frames. So that means that Einstein’s definition is wrong.
>>> Instead, each clock second in different frames represents a
>>> different amount of clock time and that’s why each observer
>>> observes clock time dilation for clocks moving wrt him..
>> What would be the point of having a definition that meant that we
>> could not measure time?
>> 
>> We want a definition that fits our experience of the passage of
>> time, and that can be used in calculations to predict how events
>> will unfold.
>> 
>> Sylvia.
> 
> Einstein assumed wrongly that a clock second is an absolute interval
> of absolute time.....it is not. There is no clock time unit
> (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
> absolute time in different frames.

Einstein made no such assumption, and had no interest in hypothetical 
quantities that cannot be measured.

He was interested in the rates of physical processes. One such process 
is the one that governs the operation of clocks.

Sylvia.

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Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-03 09:01 -0800
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-03 10:02 -0800
    Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-04 17:33 -0800
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2022-02-03 19:15 +0100
    Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 10:28 -0800
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-02-03 10:48 -0800
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Wills Duket <nbm@tiitu.va> - 2022-02-03 19:28 +0000
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-03 17:18 -0800
    Crank Richard Hertz goes off the rails "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-03 18:21 -0800
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-02-04 15:49 +1100
    Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-03 22:34 -0800
      Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-02-04 19:06 +1100
        Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-04 10:55 -0800
          Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-02-05 10:46 +1100
            Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-04 22:56 -0800
              Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-02-05 21:46 +1100
            Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-05 12:19 +0100
    Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-04 01:36 -0800
    Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 10:34 -0800
      Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-02-07 22:23 +1100
        Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 07:26 -0800
          Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 15:35 +0000
            Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 08:11 -0800
              Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 16:18 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-08 04:42 -0800
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                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 05:39 -0800
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          Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-05 10:52 -0800
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      Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-05 12:19 +0100
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          Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-02-06 11:05 +1100
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