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Re: "namespaces were a mistake" (was: Anonymous namespace)

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In article <slrnivcqkc.gtj.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid>
	Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> writes:
>On Mon, 2011-06-13, Stefan Ram wrote:
>> Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> writes:
>>>I want the freedom to name things in a straightforward way without
>>>risking clashes with other people's stuff. I don't want to call some
>>
>>   Danny Kalev, a member of the C++ standards committee between
>>   1997 and 2000, writes:
>>
>>       »namespaces were a mistake«, see
>
>He's free to say so, but plenty of people I respect disagree.

His point seems (to me) to be more that namespaces are not the
ideal they were hoped to be, rather than that namespaces are a bad
thing.

I agree with his main points -- that fully specifying them is tedious
to write and painful to read, and that "using" and the high tendency
to use it is a Bad Thing.  (I have the misfortune to be using a
package where the developers put "using" directives in the *headers*
so I have to qualify standard library calls that are in the global
name space.)

They are a useful tool, but I think the culture didn't adapt to
them in the best way.

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Drew Lawson            |  Savage bed foot-warmer
                       |    of purest feline ancestry
                       |  Look out little furry folk
                       |    it's the all-night working cat

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Re: Anonymous namespace Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-06-09 11:26 +0000
  Re: Anonymous namespace Ruben Safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2011-06-10 04:12 +0000
    Re: Anonymous namespace Michael Doubez <michael.doubez@free.fr> - 2011-06-10 01:49 -0700
      Re: Anonymous namespace mrbrklyn <ceo.brooklyn@gmail.com> - 2011-06-10 10:34 -0700
      Re: Anonymous namespace mrbrklyn <ceo.brooklyn@gmail.com> - 2011-06-10 10:45 -0700
        Re: Anonymous namespace Michael Doubez <michael.doubez@free.fr> - 2011-06-12 00:01 -0700
          Re: Anonymous namespace ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2011-06-13 04:08 +0000
            Re: Anonymous namespace Michael Doubez <michael.doubez@free.fr> - 2011-06-13 08:43 -0700
    Re: Anonymous namespace Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-06-10 18:27 +0000
      Re: Anonymous namespace ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2011-06-13 05:02 +0000
        Re: Anonymous namespace Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-06-13 07:58 +0000
          Re: "namespaces were a mistake" (was: Anonymous namespace) Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-06-13 09:56 -0700
          Re: "namespaces were a mistake" (was: Anonymous namespace) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-06-13 19:52 +0000
            Re: "namespaces were a mistake" Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2011-06-14 13:43 +0900
              Re: "namespaces were a mistake" Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2011-06-15 07:15 +0900
                Re: "namespaces were a mistake" Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-06-15 12:01 +0000
            Re: "namespaces were a mistake" (was: Anonymous namespace) drew@furrfu.invalid (Drew Lawson) - 2011-06-14 12:24 +0000
              Re: "namespaces were a mistake" (was: Anonymous namespace) gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2011-06-14 06:00 -0700
                Re: "namespaces were a mistake" (was: Anonymous namespace) Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-06-14 14:10 -0700
              Re: "namespaces were a mistake" Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2011-06-15 06:30 +0900
          Re: Anonymous namespace Ruben Safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2011-06-27 16:34 +0000
            Re: Anonymous namespace Victor Bazarov <v.bazarov@comcast.invalid> - 2011-06-27 14:29 -0400

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