Re: "namespaces were a mistake"

From	Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c++
Subject	Re: "namespaces were a mistake"
Date	2011-06-15 06:30 +0900
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drew@furrfu.invalid (Drew Lawson) writes:
> They are a useful tool, but I think the culture didn't adapt to
> them in the best way.

His paper essentially posits a straw-man though:  that either people
never use "using" (yielding inconvenience), or use "using" for
_everything_ (yielding hard-to-control conflicts).

But of course, that simply isn't true.  People are free to
mix-and-match, and therein lies much of the advantage of namespaces,
that the _user_ has fine control over the tradeoffs between convenience
and verbosity.

His apparent preferred solution, to simply use C-style symbols with
baked-in prefixes to avoid conflicts, results in the same annoying
verbosity he complains about with namespaces, _without_ giving the user
any control over it.  A big lose if you ask me...

-miles

-- 
The car has become... an article of dress without which we feel uncertain,
unclad, and incomplete.  [Marshall McLuhan, Understanding Media, 1964]

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