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Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers

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On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 15:55:42 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

>On 2/04/2024 12:07 am, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 03:06:13 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1/04/2024 2:19 am, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 08:28:58 -0400, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 16:13:01 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 31/03/2024 11:14 am, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:37:20 -0700, Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 05:53:34 -0400, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 15:56:28 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The US adopted the first modern political constitution, and have been
>>>>>>>>>>> slow to modernise it, which leaves them behind the game too, if not
>>>>>>>>>>> quite  as far.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If it aint broke, don't fix it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Constitution is like the fundamental conservation principles of
>>>>>>>>> physics, or the axioms of mathematics.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We hold these truths to be self-evident..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is brilliant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Constitution does include mechanisms to revise itself; they are
>>>>>>>>> calibrated about right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is mostly modified by the Supreme Court, which can be a bit of a
>>>>>>>> loose cannon. Consider how much the 1st and 2nd amendments, both very
>>>>>>>> simple, have been modified.
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need strict originalists, or the constitution, and the subsequent
>>>>>>> laws, and our rights, are meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A constitution which was written for a very different society doesn't
>>>>>> need to change when the society changes? That does seem to be the
>>>>>> originalist position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't judges and politicians swear to uphold the constitution and see
>>>>>>> that the laws are faithfully executed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that constitution and those laws do change with time, and should
>>>>>> have been changed rather more.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why an amendment process was specified.  Unfortunately, it requires, effectively,
>>>>> 75% agreement and that is virtually unobtainable.
>>>>
>>>> But we have passed 17 amendments to the constitution after the first
>>>> 10. The threshold is about right.
>>>
>>> If you are far right. The conservative attitude to change is to deny
>>> that it is happening, and do the bare minimum to adapt to it.
>> 
>> Otoh, it prevents the more liberal minded from amending it every Friday.
>
>Not that anybody would. 

Of course not.  Just a bit of prosaic license.

>Conservatives do think that everybody else is 
>just as stupid as they are, and they don't actually understand most of 
>the matters being discussed, hearing the discussion as meaningless noise.
>
><snip>

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Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-04-01 09:07 -0400
  Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2024-04-02 15:55 +1100
    Re: China: Government Starts Phasing Out American Processors, Operating Systems on Government Computers Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-04-02 21:49 -0400

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