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From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.computer.workshop, alt.survival, comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, talk.politics.guns
Subject Re: speaking of spammy crossposting....
Date 2020-09-21 03:38 +0000
Organization Sourthern Nevada Institute of Technology
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On Sep 20, 2020 at 12:42:02 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
<CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 00:43:23 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>  On Sep 15, 2020 at 3:37:35 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
>>  <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote:
>> 
>>>  On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:57:19 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>>   On Sep 14, 2020 at 1:59:24 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
>>>>   <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>   ...
>>>>>>>>     They should have statements about WHY, and conditions that are
>>>>>>>>  required for
>>>>>>>>     them to make sense.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Agreed, all laws, rules, and signage should have explanations.  I never
>>>>>>>  obey
>>>>>>>    a no entry sign unless it says why.  "Bears approaching" would be a
>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>    "The council has declared you must drive an extra mile to shift the
>>>>>>>    congestion to another street and make things overall worse because a
>>>>>>>    councillor lives here" is not.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    No argument here.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   You surprise me, I thought you liked blindly obeying laws?
>>>> 
>>>>   You are incorrect -- which does not surprise me. :)
>>> 
>>>  You always show yourself to be a goody two shoes.
>> 
>>  I tend to wear that many.
> 
> I hate shoes.  I'm barefoot or in sandals.

Sandals are still shoes. 

>>>>>>>>>>      =3D3DE2=3D3D80=3D3D94 but my point stands.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>     Your point is entirely wrong.   The more time and money spent on
>>>>>>>>>   safety, the
>>>>>>>>>     less is achieved.  That's why China and India will take over the world.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>     At least in the US the vehicular deaths are down.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Their population is much higher, there's no point in saving lives when the
>>>>>>>    world is overpopulated.  Letting the morons die means the better drivers
>>>>>>>    survive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    Are you volunteering?
>>>>> 
>>>>>   To run people down?  Certainly.  It would save me money on brakes.
>>>> 
>>>>   Why not give up your life to reduce overpopulation?
>>> 
>>>  Everyone is free to not have children to reduce overpopulation.
>> 
>>  Ah, so no desire to kill folks?
> 
> That's a good idea, as long as we base it on reasoning, like stupid folk.

As determined by? 

> 
> 
>>>>   [OK, I know this is just being silly, but of course don't... I do not know
>>>>   your position and you do not seem depressed, but I do NOT want you to do
>>>>   this... disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer etc.]
>>> 
>>>  I can't believe you actually wrote that.
>> 
>>  Well, I have worked with depressed folks and the like... I do not want
>> anyone
>>  to even in the back of their mind think I am pushing them that direction.
> 
> If they're that far gone, isn't it best to put them down?  That's what we do
> with dogs.

Nope. 

> 
> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      And don't mention thinking time, because we recently tried that response
>>>>>>>>>>>      time test and everyone got 2 or 3 times faster than the highway code
>>>>>>>>>>>    states.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      When primed to be hyper alert.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>     Which you automatically are as soon as you spot something running
>>>>>>>>> in front
>>>>>>>>>    of
>>>>>>>>>     your car.  It's called shitting yourself.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>     Right: "as soon as", unlike the test which was before. And that before
>>>>>>>>    makes a
>>>>>>>>     big difference.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Bullshit.  Your brain reacts in about a millisecond.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    Cite.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Well I thought up this entire sentence in not much more than that.  Simply
>>>>>   noticing an object in my path and deciding to press the brake pedal is
>>>>> a lot
>>>>>   simpler calculation.
>>>> 
>>>>   Show where this has been tested in terms of actual reactions, not your
>>>>  guess.
>>> 
>>>  No point in testing the obvious.  It's like a CPU doing a calculation then
>>>  writing the result to disk.  The physical part takes 1000 times longer.
>> 
>>  So you do not know of the tests. They have been done -- maybe I will pull
>> some
>>  up later -- or at least ones with similar ideas. Basically real-world
>> braking
>>  distances.
> 
> The results of those depend on who is doing the test and what their agenda
> is.

In short: you do not think the evidence backs your view.

> 
> 
>>>>>>>    My car only has a warning light for not wearing a seatbelt.  With black
>>>>>>>   paint
>>>>>>>    over it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    Try a newer car. Rent one for a day.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   I'm sure I've mentioned the rental van recently which pissed me off with a
>>>>>   bong! and no light to say what it was warning me of.
>>>> 
>>>>   Get one with a damned screen. Some are not SO bad. Toyota seems to have
>>>> lost
>>>>   their mind.
>>> 
>>>  Mine had what I thought was a fancy clock, on a large screen next to the
>>>  rearview mirror.  Turns out if you "switch it on" it becomes a satnav.
>> 
>>  Maybe it is only in the US, but they have music, mapping, phone, sensors to
>>  tell you if you are too close to something, sensors to tell you if you went
>>  out of your lane, sensors to tell you if you are speeding, sensors to tell
>> you
>>  if your tire pressure is low, sensors to tell you if your fart smells too
>>  bad... whatever. Beeping and warning about everything.
> 
> Thankfully we consider that shit to be optional extras.  Everything like that
> should be customizable.  Some people may find a proximity sensor useful when
> parking, others would just find it annoying.  Some people might want to be
> reminded they're not wearing their health and softy belt, I do not.  I
> deliberately chose not to.

These are rentals where I see them -- I assume there is an option. And you can
turn these things off but NOT when the car is in motion, even if you are the
passenger and the console is in the middle. Which is stupid.

> 
> 
>>>>>>    Buy the insurance and toss it off a
>>>>>>    cliff. On accident, of course.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   I detest rental companies.  When I went to rent the van, there were 5
>>>>>   choices.  3 had run out, 1 was twice the price, so I used the only one
>>>>> left.
>>>> 
>>>>   We rent a fair amount (not tons, but every couple months or so) -- and are
>>>>   good to our rental company as far as being kind. They bend over backward
>>>> for
>>>>   us. It is pretty cool.
>>> 
>>>  Surely if you rent that often it would be cheaper to buy a vehicle?
>> 
>>  We have looked at the cost of doing so... and likely will at some point.
>> Part
>>  is testing to see what type we want. And it is just every couple months or
>>  so... not like it is weekly.
> 
> Then buy an old banger for =A3500.

I have had a number of those... now would need a bigger vehicle for a family.

> 
> 
>>>>>   When I was given a rental car in France for free by my breakdown cover when
>>>>>   my engine seized, I was charged =3DA320 for refilling the petrol tank, even
>>>>>   though I'd filled it 3 miles before the return point at the closest
>>>>> garage I
>>>>>   could find.  They refused to reply to any complaints and I couldn't be
>>>>>   bothered with a small claims court for that amount.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mine has done the opposite type stuff for me. Oops... I had the car an
>>>> extra
>>>>   day. Nope... they have it logged I returned it yesterday? What? Yeah... we
>>>>   just printed the paper work... sign it here and check the date.
>>>> 
>>>>   I also live in a smaller town and am (mostly) nice to people.
>>> 
>>>  Big companies are not usually nice.  Best to use the smallest rental company
>>>  you can find.
>> 
>>  We use one tied to a national chain but I think they are locally owned. If
>>  nothing else locally managed.
> 
> The price difference between ones around here is a factor of 3.  You might
> get a nicer car, but you pay more and get charged for leaving a slight
> scratch.

Ouch. I think it depends on the specific business here. 

> 
> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>      I bet in a few years they have regulations to reduce the harm of those.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      Did you know in the UK they actually have regulations on the noise
>>>>>>>>>>>      produced by the reversing bleepers on building sites.  Nice to
>>>>>>>>>>> see health
>>>>>>>>>>>      and softy shooting itself in the foot.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      Do you mean the high pitched beep commercial and construction
>>>>>>>>>>   vehicles make
>>>>>>>>>>      when in reverse? We have that here as well.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>     Yes, very annoying.  Better to have one that doesn't carry so far.  Our
>>>>>>>>>   Asda
>>>>>>>>>     (Walmart) home delivery trucks make a quiet buzz.  You notice it
>>>>>>>>> if you're
>>>>>>>>>     nearby, but not a few blocks away like the stupid bleep.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>     Yup. We hear them from construction over a mile away.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Report them for noise pollution.  At least you'll waste someone's time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    I live in a state where people can literally burn tires for warmth and you
>>>>>>    cannot stop them. They have rights!
>>>>> 
>>>>>   But you have the right to clean air surely?
>>>> 
>>>>   One would hope... but nope. It is not an exaggeration at all. Had a
>>>> neighbor
>>>>   with HORRID smoke coming from his chimney attached to an old stove. I asked
>>>>   him repeatedly to fix it. It was gross. He would not. Finally checked into
>>>>  the
>>>>   laws -- he could LITERALLY burn tires in it to keep warm and I could do
>>>>   NOTHING. Utter insanity.
>>> 
>>>  The opposite happened here :-)  A compromise occurred, the chimney is now on
>>>  the other side of his house at great expense and pissing someone else off.
>> 
>>  Good for you. I would not mind if the houses of a few neighbors burned down.
> 
> Oh that might just happen one day ;-)

I would not mind. 
> 
> 
>>>>   I did finally work with him and pull up stuff from the 'net to teach him
>>>> how
>>>>   to use the stove and he has gotten MUCH better. Not perfect, but at
>>>> least he
>>>>   is trying.
>>> 
>>>  Buy him a chimney filter.
>> 
>>  Might look into that.
>> 
>>>>>>>>     I just might email them for fun. Do they not list an email address
>>>>>>>>  and only
>>>>>>>>     have a form (I have not looked).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    I didn't spot one but didn't look for long.  If you click "contact
>>>>>>> us", you
>>>>>>>    get a list of reasons for contacting, and when I selected one I got
>>>>>>> a form.
>>>>>>>    You could always look up their domain registration, that will most likely
>>>>>>>    have a contact email.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    As can you then contact them directly.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   That's the question I just answered.
>>>> 
>>>>   So you do not need me to contact them.
>>> 
>>>  You're the one that likes doing all that hunting around....
>> 
>>  Sometimes.
> 
> I don't know why you bother with that moron.  And don't mention him by name
> or nym or Opera may delete your message.

He is gone, at least for now. I shed no tears. 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      And vehicles are used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      get people from point A to point B, and to get stuff there,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   too... they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      not designed as weapons. But even then they are licensed and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   registered and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      checked for safety and so much more. The whole line of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  thinking is a false
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      equivalence, but if you want to go down it let's start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing those things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      with guns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      You're arguing with a moron who belongs 200 years ago, when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  yanks were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      shooting the people who really belong in America, the American Indians.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>      Yup. And then the whites in their own communities DID have gun control
>>>>>>>>>>>>    laws.
>>>>>>>>>>>>      The movies lie -- people did not generally "open carry" in Old
>>>>>>>>>>>>  West towns.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      Some people think movies are real, including a fuckwit pig (actually all
>>>>>>>>>>>      pigs are fuckwits but this one especially so) who thought my cracked
>>>>>>>>>>>      number plate could fly off, spin round, and decapitate someone, and all
>>>>>>>>>>>      because it happened in a movie.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>      It happened to me.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>     You were decapitated?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>     Not at first, but close. Got so mad about it I completely lost my head.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    The only danger from those is if you're a motorcyclist.  I find it funny
>>>>>>>   that
>>>>>>>    a thing required by law can kill you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    Air bags can, too... but overall you are far safer with them then without.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Apparently it's very dangerous to have a crash with an air bag an no
>>>>>   seatbelt.  I really should disable my airbag.
>>>> 
>>>>   Or wear your seatbelt.
>>> 
>>>  Get to fuck, they're uncomfortable and inconvenient.
>> 
>>  And save lives.
> 
> My life, my choice.
> 
> Anyway, why not just drive more safely?

I can't control other drivers.

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