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Re: Microsoft end of support dates

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.computer.workshop
Subject Re: Microsoft end of support dates
Date 2020-07-10 15:41 -0700
Message-ID <hms93uFps34U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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On 7/10/20 3:32 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 22:53:48 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/10/20 2:49 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> ...
>>>>> It's a pity Apple don't do compatibility any more.  Every time a new
>>>>> connector comes out, they ditch the old one.  I remember having to 
>>>>> throw
>>>>> away or donate printers etc when we changed to Macs with USB on them
>>>>> instead of serial ports.  PCs however kept the serial and parallel
>>>>> ports, and some made now still have them!
>>>>
>>>> Apple has always gone their own way with ports... which has pros and
>>>> cons. For the most part it has not been a problem for me -- but there
>>>> have been times. And even when the ports work, they drop support for
>>>> things, like their own modems. Not a huge deal for me but not ideal.
>>>
>>> I stick to PCs for 4 reasons.
>>>
>>> 1) The interface is way easier.
>>> 2) They're half the price due to competition.
>>> 3) Way more software and hardware available.
>>> 4) They don't look like something a woman would buy.
>>>
>>> The only thing I like about Macs is they put OK and Cancel the right way
>>> round in the dialog boxes.
>>
>> I tend to like Macs -- but to each their own. I certainly do not get the
>> religious wars as to which is better. I also use Windows and Linux, and
>> each has pros and cons.
> 
> I see Macs as a childish interface, it's too dumbed down, suited more 
> for Americans.

Do you have examples. One of the things I like is the integration and 
focus on usability. But, again, to each their own.

> You can't argue about the cost, they're very expensive!

Yes and no. For comparable machines they are about the same, but you 
have FAR less choice and no low end models.

> Same goes for lack of software.

There may be less, but some of the best software is Mac only. And 
software that runs on both often has features on the Mac lacking on 
Windows. Take Photoshop -- you can tap into the macOS color pickers and 
have swatches and palettes you share with other software. It makes a 
difference.

> And I don't want glittery shiny objects, I want a useful object.
> So er what is it you like about macs?

I list some above, but mostly it is about getting things done. I am 
focused on task completion more than most.

> As for Linux, I used it once a few weeks ago.  I was told that a certain 
> scientific program would run 3 times faster on Linux due to "better 
> memory management".  I think it was more that the program had been 
> compiled better for Linux.  I run several scientific programs, and 
> tested them all on the same machine (well two identical ones), one under 
> Linux and one under Windows.  One of the programs out of 7 was much 
> faster, 2 were slightly slower, and the other 4 were identical.  But 
> what made me stick with windows was the first hurdle - installing the 
> program.  So I download the program, but Linux opens it in a text editor 
> (or tries to, it was too big) when I double click it.  After googling 
> the problem, I find I have to go to the properties of the file and allow 
> it run as a program.  Now I have to right click and select "run as a 
> program", which isn't in my menu.  So I tried running it from a command 
> prompt.  Despite being in the directory I had placed it, it couldn't see 
> it!  Apparently I have to prefix it with ./ to indicate it should look 
> in front of it's nose and not in the system folder.  Anyway I gave up 
> and used some installer program that comes with the OS, similar to the 
> Android Google Play thingy.

Linux is good as long as you know it well before you use it. :)

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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