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Re: Something C might need

From	Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Something C might need
Date	2017-09-23 13:36 +1200
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On 09/23/17 01:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 09/23/17 11:35 AM, James R. Kuyper wrote:
>>> On 2017-09-22 18:49, Ian Collins wrote:
>>>> On 09/23/17 09:34 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> ....
>>>>>          https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
>>> ....
>>>> At first glance, the maths in those tables doesn't add up with a 15% net
>>>> drop in the top 20 languages..
>>>
>>> I wouldn't argue for the absolute accuracy of Tiobe's numbers, nor for
>>> the validity of their algorithms - those are highly debatable issues.
>>> But you seem to be objecting based upon some internal inconsistency in
>>> those numbers, and I don't see that they provide enough information to
>>> perform such a consistency check.
>>> For instance, they show the ratings for Sep 2017, and the change since
>>> Sep 2016, but they don't say what the ratings in Sep 2016 were, so you
>>> can't validate the change. Since it only shows the ratings for the top
>>> 50 languages, their total shouldn't add up to 100%, and it doesn't.
>>> Since it only shows the changes for the top 20 languages, the total
>>> change doesn't have to add up to 0%, and it doesn't, either.
>>> Are you comparing these numbers with some alternative source of
>>> information? If so, which one?
>>
>> I'm saying I find it highly unlikely that the top 5 languages can loose
>> over 12% between them without some other language in the top 20 making a
>> significant gain. None do.
>
> The RedMonk Programming Language Rankings for June 2017 show C at #9
> based on references in GitHub and Stack Overflow:
>
>      http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2017/06/08/language-rankings-6-17/
>
> For IEEE Spectrum readers, C's at #2 behind Python:
>
>      https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-2017-top-programming-languages
>
> Raw data taken from Google Trends shows C at #7 at 6.1% down 1.1%:
>
>      http://pypl.github.io/PYPL.html
>
> GitHut shows the ranking based solely on GitHub software, showing
> C 13K repositories behind C++ at 73K active repositories:
>
>      http://githut.info

All of the above exclude commercially developed software, which is where 
the bulk of C (and C++) development takes place.

-- 
Ian

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Something C might need David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 20:50 -0700
  Re: Something C might need Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-22 01:15 -0500
    Re: Something C might need Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-22 01:21 -0500
  Re: Something C might need fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 00:44 -0700
  Re: Something C might need Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2017-09-22 11:02 +0200
    Re: Something C might need Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-22 12:35 -0500
      Re: Something C might need Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2017-09-22 13:46 -0400
        Re: Something C might need David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 11:47 -0700
          Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-22 12:16 -0700
          Re: Something C might need Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2017-09-22 18:10 -0400
            Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-22 15:24 -0700
              Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-22 15:52 -0700
              Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-23 12:29 +0200
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-23 08:29 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-23 18:06 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-24 12:28 +0200
            Re: Something C might need David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 16:17 -0700
              Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-22 18:20 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 22:45 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-23 12:22 +0200
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-23 11:29 +0100
                Re: Something C might need Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-09-23 10:25 -0400
                Re: Something C might need Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-09-24 22:09 +0800
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-24 15:32 +0100
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-24 13:17 -0700
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-24 21:53 +0100
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-24 14:54 -0700
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-24 23:10 +0100
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-24 16:14 -0700
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-25 01:04 +0100
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-24 17:23 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 08:48 +0200
                Re: Something C might need David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 11:50 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 21:59 +0200
                Re: Something C might need David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 14:25 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-26 09:39 +0200
                Re: Something C might need David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-26 11:50 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-25 15:44 -0500
                Re: Something C might need Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-09-24 18:57 -0400
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-25 00:08 +0100
                Re: Something C might need Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-09-24 20:51 -0400
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-25 02:10 +0100
                Re: Something C might need Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-09-24 22:22 -0400
                Re: Something C might need Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 06:35 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 16:16 +0200
                Re: Something C might need Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 07:47 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 13:38 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-24 23:29 -0500
                Re: Something C might need Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-25 17:40 -0500
                Re: Something C might need Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-24 23:30 -0500
                Re: Something C might need Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-09-25 08:58 -0400
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-23 08:41 -0700
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-23 17:32 +0100
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-23 11:32 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2017-09-25 14:43 +0000
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 22:07 +0200
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-25 13:34 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-26 10:04 +1300
                Re: Something C might need Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2017-09-26 14:31 +0000
                Re: Something C might need Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-27 08:38 +1300
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-23 17:49 -0700
                Re: Something C might need gordonb.w32iq@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-09-23 21:21 -0500
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-24 11:27 -0700
                Re: Something C might need gordonb.woyvd@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-09-25 01:08 -0500
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-25 09:38 -0700
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-25 10:00 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-23 11:32 +0100
                Re: Something C might need David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-23 12:29 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-23 20:38 +0100
                Re: Something C might need David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-23 15:25 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2017-09-23 20:36 -0400
                Re: Something C might need Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-24 01:42 +0100
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-23 18:03 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-23 22:47 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-24 12:03 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-24 15:10 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-24 16:20 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-24 16:44 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 09:00 +0200
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-24 16:51 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 09:11 +0200
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 09:04 +0200
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-23 22:10 +0100
                Re: Something C might need Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-24 10:19 +1300
                Re: Something C might need Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-24 01:38 +0100
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-24 02:14 +0100
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-23 18:41 -0700
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-24 11:16 +0100
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-24 11:41 +0100
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-24 12:15 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-24 12:23 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-24 14:03 +0200
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-24 13:59 +0100
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-24 16:08 +0100
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-24 21:50 +0200
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-24 21:40 +0100
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 09:28 +0200
                Re: Something C might need luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-26 06:28 -0700
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-26 07:47 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-27 08:26 +0200
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-27 07:22 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-27 09:01 -0700
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-27 09:42 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 10:42 +0200
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-27 19:22 +0100
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 10:48 +0200
                Re: Something C might need scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-09-28 17:31 +0000
                Re: Something C might need Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-24 22:09 +0100
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-24 22:44 +0100
                Re: Something C might need Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-25 01:57 +0100
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-25 02:02 +0100
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-24 19:10 -0700
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-27 16:27 +0100
                Re: Something C might need Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-09-27 09:26 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 10:53 +0200
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-27 10:52 -0700
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-27 19:20 +0100
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-27 11:44 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 10:57 +0200
                Re: Something C might need James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-24 14:49 -0400
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-24 22:06 +0200
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-24 20:09 +0100
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-24 12:12 -0700
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-24 20:46 +0100
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 09:41 +0200
                Re: Something C might need Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-24 21:05 +0100
                Re: Something C might need gordonb.r273i@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-09-23 21:34 -0500
                Re: Something C might need Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-24 09:01 +0100
      Re: Something C might need Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2017-09-24 19:34 +0200
        Re: Something C might need Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-24 23:53 -0500
          Re: Something C might need "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-25 12:27 -0400
            Re: Something C might need Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2017-09-25 20:33 +0200
              Re: Something C might need Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-25 15:52 -0500
                Re: Something C might need Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2017-09-25 23:23 +0200
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-25 15:15 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-25 17:49 -0500
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-26 09:46 +0200
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-26 07:32 -0700
                Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-26 21:50 +0200
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-26 14:32 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2017-09-26 22:34 +0200
                Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-26 14:39 -0700
            Re: Something C might need Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-25 19:38 +0100
              Re: Something C might need "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-25 15:00 -0400
                Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-25 12:29 -0700
              Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 22:12 +0200
  Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-22 11:38 +0100
    Re: Something C might need Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 04:21 -0700
    Re: Something C might need David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-22 14:54 +0200
    Re: Something C might need Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-22 08:02 -0700
  Re: Something C might need "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 06:49 -0700
    Re: Something C might need Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-22 20:24 +0100
      Re: Something C might need "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 12:45 -0700
        Re: Something C might need Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-23 09:00 +1200
          Re: Something C might need "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 17:34 -0400
            Re: Something C might need Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-23 10:49 +1200
              Re: Something C might need "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 19:25 -0400
              Re: Something C might need "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-22 19:35 -0400
                Re: Something C might need Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-23 11:52 +1200
                Re: Something C might need "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 18:25 -0700
                Re: Something C might need Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-23 13:36 +1200
                Re: Something C might need "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 20:20 -0700
                Rick says C is a dying language.  (Was: Something C might need) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-09-23 09:15 +0000
                Re: Rick says C is a dying language.  (Was: Something C might need) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-09-23 04:40 -0700
                Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-23 13:00 +0100
                Re: Something C might need "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-09-23 10:28 -0400
                Re: Something C might need James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-22 23:22 -0400
                Re: Something C might need Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-23 18:01 +1200
              Re: Something C might need Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-09-22 20:31 -0400
            Re: Something C might need jladasky@itu.edu - 2017-09-22 16:27 -0700
              Re: Something C might need "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 16:34 -0700
            Re: Something C might need scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-09-26 21:44 +0000
              Re: Something C might need "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-09-26 14:53 -0700
        Re: Something C might need Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-23 02:14 +0100
    Re: Something C might need bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-22 21:31 +0100
      Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-22 14:02 -0700
      Re: Something C might need "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 17:29 -0400
  Re: Something C might need supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-22 09:12 -0700

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