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| From | Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) |
| Date | 2025-06-30 18:50 +0000 |
| Organization | Some absurd concept |
| Message-ID | <eli$2506301450@qaz.wtf> (permalink) |
| References | <103a6c8$qvlb$1@dont-email.me> <103sjv9$1p9c9$6@dont-email.me> <eli$2506300118@qaz.wtf> <103tc72$21i99$4@dont-email.me> |
In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 05:18:06 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote:
>> Unix ... has dot files.
> Way too many of them. How many are there in your $HOME?
>
> The XDG spec aims to keep this clutter under control.
Does it? Or does it just create a new closet to sweep them into?
$ ls -a $HOME |grep -c '^[.]'
72
$ find ~/.config -type f |wc
305 327 21490
$
>> Bunch of big "if"s there.
> Most of the Linux distros around already contain those libraries. The
> whole freedesktop.org group has widespread support among *nixes. They're
> not some "fringe" group as you might think.
Yeah, but I run plenty of programs that don't use those libraries and
are unlikely to do so. Is ksh ever going to use ~/.config/profile ? (Is
bash?) xfig is a tool I still use and like, but it most certainly is not
using a file dialog from this century.
Not all the world is Linux, and tools like xfig predate Linux.
Also XDG has a very limited understanding of how people may organize
files. I don't have a "templates" directory, I'm not even sure what I'd
put in one. I don't have a "music" directory, and I don't need one.
Here are the directories I want to use to organize things:
$HOME/src # my own programs
$HOME/packages # tar balls and the like
$HOME/builds # build root for packages
$HOME/notes # personal text files, including email
$HOME/bin # where my programs live
$HOME/lib # where my libraries live
$HOME/man # where my man pages live
$HOME/images # photos and no-photos
$HOME/tmp # temporary storage, eg downloads
$HOME/video # video files
No capital letters in names. I co-opt some of the XDG settings to use
these, but that's working around the library instead of with it. (Eg. I
use $HOME/tmp for "templates" simply because of similar letters.)
> If you run a Linux GUI, then you already have them.
I know that the files on on the disk, I dispute that I use them. At
any one time I'm usually running just the following windowed programs:
xterm (x many times)
Firefox
Deluge
icewm components
On a temporary basis, I start, run, and quit programs like feh, xpdf,
mplayer, gimp, xfig, vuescan. I don't think I have used any others on
Linux in the last two months. Icons and menus are not a significant part
of how I use icewm. Even the firefox process I've been using for the
last week or two right now was started from a command line in an xterm.
Elijah
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prefers the login on console and start X manually model of Unix
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