Re: XDG and Freedesktop

From	Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: XDG and Freedesktop
Date	2025-07-02 09:33 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 2025-07-02, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 12:49:36 -0700, John Ames wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 08:38:23 +0100 Richard Kettlewell
>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyway, if these directories don’t fit your needs then nothing is
>>> forcing you to use them and nothing is preventing your from creating
>>> your own.
>> 
>> Nothing's forcing me to *use* them, but certain software insists on re-
>> creating them when I delete them, which is obnoxious.
>
> Stop using that software, then.
>
> “Doctor, it hurts when I do this!”
> “Don’t do that, then!”

What if the problem is toolkits or other libraries creating these just
because of the freedesktop specs? And made worse by more libraries
adopting such behaviours because "it doesn't hurt"?

(Certainly such directories *are* clutter to a subset of users... but
freedesktop isn't fighting this, so are you sure their goal with
dotfiles really was getting rid of clutter?)

I don't know how pervasive this currently is, it might be something like
dbus, which in theory is optional in a lot of tools, but once installed
on a system might end up getting a bus started often merely because it's
present.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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