Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?
Date	2017-03-02 17:16 +0000
Organization	People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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On 2017-03-02, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 11:10:46 -0500, Jolly Roger wrote
> (in article <ehqug6F60atU2@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 2017-03-02, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 22:49:19 -0500, Jolly Roger wrote
>>> (in article <ehpj1vFs8o9U1@mid.individual.net>):
>>>> Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Give me a break.  10 years? For soft keys?
>>>> 
>>>> Ah. You're misunderstanding the technology in use. Apples
>>>> implementation is anything but just a standard implementation of
>>>> soft keys. Instead, the Touch Bar is actually a separate (but
>>>> integrated) multitouch device running on a custom ARM-based SoC
>>>> called the Apple T1 similar to the SoC in the Apple Watch with a
>>>> secure enclave and Touch ID sensor for biometric authentication,
>>>> Apple Pay support, and so on. It's way more than just soft keys,
>>>> and way more flexible and useful. You can think of it as an
>>>> embedded iOS device running right along side macOS. Apple indeed
>>>> has been working on this technology for a long, long time. Here's a
>>>> decent (but dated) review:
>>>> 
>>> <https://arstechnica.com/video/2016/11/the-2016-13-and-15-inch-touch-
>>> bar-macbo
>>>> ok-pros-reviewed/>
>>> 
>>> I don't care if they implemented it with a Quantum Computer an a
>>> diamond screen.  Functionally, it's little more than glorified soft
>>> keys.
>> 
>> That's a flat-out lie.
>
> It's a judgement not a lie.

No, it's a lie. Soft keys don't do secure biometric authentication, and
they typically aren't multitouch capable with high-quality OLED displays
either. Claiming the Touch Bar is little more than glorified soft keys
is pure hyperbole.

> You really should be more careful with your hyperbole and vitriol.

You should take your own advice! You've been spewing hyperbole ever
since people wondered why you were sticking with 10.6!

>> Show me soft keys that can do biometric
>> authentication in arguably the most secure and privacy-preserving manner
>> on any consumer-grade device. You can't because there is no other as
>> secure that protects your biometric data the way Apple does. You're
>> trolling.
>
> You surely cannot be claiming that the raison d'être of the touch bar 
> is preserving biometric data.

The truth is the Touch Bar has multiple "reasons for being" (functions),
one of the major ones being secure and private biometric authentication.
It includes a secure fingerprint sensor and a significant portion of the
custom SoC is *dedicated* to just that. I realize it would be convenient
for you to ignore this functionality as if it holds no value, along with
the rest of the functionality that sets it apart from typical "glorified
soft keys"; but that's not the reality of the situation. I don't expect
you to like or fawn over the Touch Bar; but you could at least try not
to spread lies and misinformation about it to justify your position that
it has little value beyond "glorified soft keys". We should strive for
the truth, always.

-- 
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JR

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                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-03 08:03 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:27 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:23 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-03 18:29 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 13:04 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 15:50 +1100
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-03-01 21:00 -0800
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 21:47 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 20:00 +1100
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 00:38 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 21:47 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:19 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 20:39 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 15:22 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 22:08 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 07:40 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-03 13:21 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 21:06 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-04 01:27 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 04:28 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 23:29 +1300
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 19:06 +0000
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 14:26 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:54 -0500
                Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
            Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:13 -0500
              Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:20 +0000
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 11:19 -0700
    Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-02-28 10:08 -0500
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 13:02 -0500
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 11:21 -0700
          Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 14:06 -0500
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-28 10:40 +0000
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:24 -0500
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-28 15:51 +0000
    Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 05:00 -0500
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:36 +0000
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-28 18:51 -0500
    Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-02-28 17:24 -0800
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 05:02 -0500
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:36 +0000
      Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-01 07:52 -0500
        Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:00 -0500
  Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-28 19:31 -0500

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