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Re: SA Greenies

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups aus.electronics, aus.politics
Subject Re: SA Greenies
Date 2017-02-23 12:52 +1100
Message-ID <eh6tjiF5arrU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References <589c49e2$0$10747$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> <eg4b6iF6ivqU1@mid.individual.net>

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On 10/02/2017 10:05 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 9/02/2017 9:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>> This SA green power supply works well does not it?
>
>
> **The fault lies in several places. The big one, is when states began
> privatising parts of the electricity and distribution system. It will
> get worse, as the industry heads down it's 'death spiral'. Prices will
> increase and more people will fit PV panels and batteries. As more
> people go off-grid, suppliers will increase prices. The latest problem
> occured with the French owned gas-fired power station. When SA requested
> more power, the owner refused to start up the power station, because it
> was not profitable enough.
>
> It is insane. Electricity is a vital resource and must NEVER be allowed
> to fall into the hands of private industry. Particularly foreign owned
> ones.
>

The report into the load shedding incident in SA is here.

<http://www.aemo.com.au/-/media/Files/Electricity/NEM/Market_Notices_and_Events/Power_System_Incident_Reports/2017/System-Event-Report-South-Australia-8-February-2017.pdf>

It appears that the reason Pelican Point didn't bid to supply extra 
power is that it is prohibited from doing so because it could not 
guarantee supply, which in turn was because it didn't have a contract in 
place for the gas required to run the additional generator.

The AEMO has the power to direct a power station to run, and the station 
must comply if it's technically possible, so lack of profitability would 
not be involved. In any case, given the high spot prices during period 
of extreme demand, it's not likely that it would actually be unprofitable.

There may be a defect in the market, here. Clearly the AEMO needs to be 
able to direct generators to run sufficiently in advance of need so that 
contractual arrangements can be made. Yet the gas supplier must not be 
given the impression that they have the generator operator over a barrel 
on pricing. Also, if costs are incurred, but the generator is not in the 
end needed, there needs to be a way of compensating the operator for the 
loss - they shouldn't have to bear it themselves.

Either way, I don't see this as having anything to do with the 
nationality of the operator. The situation would have been the same if 
the operator had been Australian.

Sylvia.

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SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-09 21:52 +1100
  Re: SA Greenies Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 03:31 -0800
  Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-10 07:15 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-10 14:57 +1100
      Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-10 15:31 +1100
        Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-10 17:15 +1100
          Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-10 19:53 +1100
            Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-10 20:02 +1100
              Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-10 20:39 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 21:20 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-10 21:33 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 22:17 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies pedro <me@privacy.net> - 2017-02-12 09:28 +0800
              Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 21:54 +1100
              Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-11 07:34 +1100
            Re: SA Greenies "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 23:49 +1300
      Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-10 17:00 +1100
        Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-10 17:23 +1100
          Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-10 17:40 +1100
            Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-10 19:44 +1100
              Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-10 20:13 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 03:12 -0800
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-11 05:59 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 14:25 -0800
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-11 09:24 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-10 15:01 -0800
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 12:49 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-11 14:53 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 16:40 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-11 19:16 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 20:12 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-11 20:56 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-12 04:40 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-12 09:38 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 10:00 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-12 11:24 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 12:09 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-13 13:44 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 14:55 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-13 15:08 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-13 18:27 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-13 18:34 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-13 19:41 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-13 20:00 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 21:40 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-13 22:05 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 23:25 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-14 06:45 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:46 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-14 11:58 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-14 11:54 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-14 12:55 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-14 12:27 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-14 14:27 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-14 14:15 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 16:02 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-15 11:27 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-14 17:05 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-14 16:11 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 17:21 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-14 17:24 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-14 19:33 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 21:34 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-14 16:59 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-14 16:58 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-14 16:57 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 17:23 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-14 19:39 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-15 14:47 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:53 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-14 11:59 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-14 12:24 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-14 12:39 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 20:50 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies HD <herpem@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-14 20:01 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 21:18 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-14 22:43 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-15 06:28 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-15 12:35 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-15 13:58 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-15 14:58 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-15 23:36 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-16 08:44 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-16 15:17 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-16 15:56 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 17:55 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-17 04:49 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:40 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-17 08:57 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 10:04 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-17 11:24 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 12:48 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-17 16:32 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 19:13 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-17 14:37 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 16:21 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-17 17:31 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 19:14 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-18 21:00 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-18 15:23 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-17 08:43 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-17 15:37 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-17 16:16 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 16:37 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-17 19:26 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-17 09:03 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 20:30 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-17 10:16 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 09:22 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-18 11:54 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Ördög <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> - 2017-02-18 23:55 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 11:32 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-19 11:58 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 13:53 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-19 14:15 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 15:31 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-19 16:33 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 17:02 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-19 17:35 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 09:52 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-20 10:37 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 13:28 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2017-02-20 04:16 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-20 16:18 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 18:50 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-23 04:37 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-23 15:27 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-24 04:42 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-20 15:36 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-19 13:16 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 13:55 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-19 16:21 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 16:56 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-19 17:26 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 21:32 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-19 23:55 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 13:31 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-20 15:21 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 16:50 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-20 17:41 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-17 17:36 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 16:25 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-17 16:40 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-17 18:14 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-17 19:28 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-17 08:31 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-17 17:16 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-17 17:12 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-18 09:37 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 10:33 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-18 11:22 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 12:07 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-18 13:52 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-18 14:37 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 15:36 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-18 16:38 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-18 15:45 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 15:56 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-18 16:35 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 17:10 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-18 20:40 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 21:01 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-02-16 23:34 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:50 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-02-16 22:02 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-17 09:17 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-17 11:12 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-17 10:36 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-02-17 13:59 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-17 13:24 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-17 17:29 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-16 11:49 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-16 05:23 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-16 11:46 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-16 11:52 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-17 11:48 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-17 12:04 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 13:03 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-17 17:04 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-17 19:36 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-17 10:20 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-18 09:43 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 10:55 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-18 11:14 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 12:13 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 12:21 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-18 21:20 +1100
                Re: Cats Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-18 11:53 +0000
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                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-19 00:07 +1100
                Re: Cats Peter <noemail@pigpond.com> - 2017-02-19 10:23 +1000
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                Re: Cats Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-19 10:09 +0000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-19 11:37 +1100
                Re: Cats Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-18 14:05 +0000
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-19 08:46 +1100
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                Re: Cats Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-19 10:03 +0000
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                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 17:45 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:26 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-19 14:32 +1000
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 15:57 +1100
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                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 08:16 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-20 10:37 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 10:42 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 08:23 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-20 09:18 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 09:48 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-20 16:25 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 17:08 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-20 16:21 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-21 10:31 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 12:37 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-21 18:04 +1100
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-20 16:12 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-21 10:10 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 10:33 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-21 11:15 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:44 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 07:42 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 00:54 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 10:21 +1100
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-23 09:53 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-18 21:17 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-18 15:10 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-19 10:20 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-19 12:06 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 09:27 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 11:28 +1100
                Re: Cats Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-20 11:29 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 19:43 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 19:53 +1100
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-20 20:26 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 20:42 +1100
                Re: Cats Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-23 09:56 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-20 23:59 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-21 00:39 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:50 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 01:46 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 10:30 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:52 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-21 18:07 +1100
                Re: Cats Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-23 04:10 +0000
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-23 16:26 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-25 10:41 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 16:06 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-25 21:36 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 08:57 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-26 18:01 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-21 10:41 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:50 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:52 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 11:33 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 00:58 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 07:31 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-22 09:29 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 10:26 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 11:44 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:55 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 11:45 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 13:07 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 13:39 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 14:55 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 15:19 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 17:34 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-22 17:47 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 18:04 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 18:56 +1100
                Re: Cats Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-22 21:54 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 18:55 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 14:17 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 14:32 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 15:00 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-23 00:19 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-23 00:29 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-23 00:14 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-23 00:30 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-27 15:43 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 16:23 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 16:35 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 16:36 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:38 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-01 15:49 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-03-01 16:11 +1000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:05 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-03-01 23:06 +1000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:16 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-03-02 08:13 +1000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:49 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 14:26 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-03 08:15 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-03 10:48 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-03 11:16 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-03-03 10:35 +1000
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-03 14:52 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-03-02 14:22 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-27 18:03 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 18:12 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-28 09:46 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:57 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:40 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:56 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:39 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-27 16:38 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-27 17:28 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-27 18:06 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-27 18:52 +1000
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-28 06:14 +1100
                Re: Cats Fran Snortilus <nuts@loathsomeneedshelp.com> - 2017-02-28 17:43 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-22 10:25 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:52 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 11:47 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:46 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-23 00:23 +1100
                Re: Cats Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-21 10:19 +1100
                Re: Cats felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-02-22 10:57 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:46 +1100
                Re: Cats "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-21 12:14 +1000
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 18:10 +1100
                Re: Cats F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 01:00 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-22 07:33 +1100
                Re: Cats de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-21 11:45 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-17 09:28 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-18 09:46 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-18 15:08 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-18 21:30 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-18 15:18 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-16 13:24 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-12 10:20 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-12 11:22 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-12 16:07 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-13 10:54 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2017-02-13 00:34 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-13 14:45 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-13 15:28 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-13 15:36 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-13 15:52 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-15 11:05 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-15 11:19 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-15 10:37 +1000
              Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-11 07:32 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> - 2017-02-11 07:08 +1000
                Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-11 08:13 +1100
  Re: SA Greenies Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2017-02-09 22:17 +0000
  Re: SA Greenies Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-02-10 10:05 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-02-10 10:36 +1100
      Re: SA Greenies Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-02-10 14:37 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Tony <nomail@nospam.com> - 2017-02-10 08:46 +0800
      Re: SA Greenies ellefranqq@gmail.com - 2019-03-15 19:06 -0700
        Re: SA Greenies FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2019-03-16 17:21 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 12:28 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-23 12:52 +1100
  Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 12:24 +1100
  Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-10 12:42 +1100
    Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 16:00 +1100
      Re: SA Greenies F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-10 17:26 +1100
        Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-10 22:06 +1100
          Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 11:58 +1100
            Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 15:36 +1100
              Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 18:24 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 20:15 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-11 22:44 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 10:01 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-12 08:16 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 10:03 +1100
            Re: SA Greenies Fran Snortilus <ask@itsahoot.com> - 2017-02-11 16:45 +1100
              Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-13 15:06 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-02-13 17:28 +1100
                Re: SA Greenies Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2017-02-13 21:07 +0000
                Re: SA Greenies felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2017-02-15 11:14 +1100

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