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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 |
| Date | 2015-07-24 10:21 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d1denoFkkckU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message
news:dt788c-0tn.ln1@sambook.reistad.name...
> In article <PM00051B8A0E4F9560@aca24c78.ipt.aol.com>,
> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>Morten Reistad wrote:
>>> In article <PM00051B75E9682BEF@aca40d0e.ipt.aol.com>,
>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>Tim Streater wrote:
>>>>> In article <PM00051B623040E297@aca42ea8.ipt.aol.com>, jmfbahciv
>>>>> <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Andrew Swallow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It could just as easily have been described as being in the
>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>> system business, each of which came with some free hardware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No. We didn't make money on OSes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No; that was not the business plan. Our tradeoffs were always based
>>>>>>on hardware being the primary business, not software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doomed in the long run, then. It was never gonna compete with low-cost
>>>>> generic hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> And what's the point of selling hardware with no software?
>>>>
>>>>You are assuming that all hardware was sold as _systems_. this was not
>>>>the case until about 1980.
>>>>
>>>>> People buy
>>>>> computers to use as tools, not to write bespoke software on, certainly
>>>>> not at least if the bespoke software they're writing is 99% the same
>>>>> as
>>>>> the guy's next door.
>>>>
>>>>The "computer as a tool" didn't happen until the mid-80s when PCs became
>>>>cheap enough for Joe Shmoe to buy and use.
>>>
>>> Not generally. But in labs and other such niches such as factory
>>> floors etc the computer-as-a-tool emerged as early as the early 70s.
>>
>>I should have put this "computer as a tool" right after the line where
>>I wrote "sold as _systems_". That's what I was talking about.
>>
>>>
>>> For${GOD}ssake, the very naming of the PDP hint very clearly that this
>>> was the case even a decade earlier.
>>>
>>> But the failure to really integrate with the PC was the doom of DEC.
>>> Out-Novelling Novell should have been possible, selling DEC gear as
>>> the servers, and getting a foothold in the corporate world to expand
>>> out from would have been easy to see ca 1984.
>>>
>>> But not from within DEC.
>>>
>>> This was not specific to DEC. The other mini and BUNCH vendors failed
>>> just as miserably.
>>
>>I know. There was only just so much we could have done :-( after
>>the two debacles which changed DEC's history forever.
>>
>>/BAH
>
> It was not a debacle or two. It was Moore's Law. Steadily eroding the
> price per computing unit by half every 18 months. Sure, for 4-5 years
> you can do more of the same, but you will have to shift architectures
> when the price per unit has gone down by 90%.
>
> Go look at a plot of Moore's Law. It is a log-log straight line from
> the mid 1950s (as early as we can have reliable input) until today.
>
> OK, speed per single processor reached a peak ca 2006. But the cost per
> computing unit is still going down very much according to Moore's Law.
>
> What is simply amazing is that NOONE inside the industry saw what
> was happeing with the primary driver of their business. At least saw
> it clearly enough to act on it.
That is very arguable with both Apple and IBM.
Yes, IBM fucked it up very comprehensively indeed and never
did make any real money out of PCs, but Apple did very well
indeed as did Microsoft.
> All the same, we on the outside saw it well and clear.
Some insiders did too.
> I still harp about our May 27th 1983 bet.
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