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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: The joy of simplicity? |
| Date | 2015-07-20 06:20 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d12f45Fr3gcU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (12 earlier) <PM00051AFE21B80058@aca42e0b.ipt.aol.com> <d0qg66Fqs5uU1@mid.individual.net> <ttnn7c-djp.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> <d10470F95frU1@mid.individual.net> <PM00051B39D5D75EA9@aca2e736.ipt.aol.com> |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00051B39D5D75EA9@aca2e736.ipt.aol.com... > Rod Speed wrote: >> Morten Reistad <first@last.navn> wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote >>>>> Peter Flass wrote >>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote >>>>>>> Andrew Swallow wrote >>>>>>>> jmfbahciv wrote >>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote >>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Swallow wrote >> >>>>>>>>>>>> This will help but unfortunately the database you >>>>>>>>>>>> are keeping secret ends up inside the sandbox. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Implement a file daemon like we did on TOPS-10. >> >>>>>>>>>> Doesn't do a damned thing about the problem he is talking about. >> >>>>>>>>> Of course it can. The file daemone can do anything one wants >>>>>>>>> it to. In order to circumvent the security, a cracker has to patch >>>>>>>>> the monitor to redirect the IPCF messages _and_ its contents. >> >>>>>>>> Can the virus tell the daemone to get the next database record? >>>>>>>> If so repeat until the entire database has been extracted. >> >>>>>>> Only if the file daemon is designed to allow such access without >>>>>>> security. >> >>>>>>> Using a file daemon to access otherwise protected files from a user, >>>>>>> including an app, allows access without the user/app having to have >>>>>>> the system privileges one would need if a daemon wasn't available. >> >>>>>>> The sample JMF wrote, was designed to extend access to files. >>>>>>> There isn't anything preventing a daemon from accessing the >>>>>>> contents of files. The neat thing was that you could protect a >>>>>>> file from [1,2] accessing it. [1,2] was the equivalent user to >>>>>>> Unix' sudo (I think that's what it's called.) >> >>>>>> A daemon has nothing to do with this. The file system has to run >>>>>> at a higher privilege level (which most do) and have no bugs or >>>>>> security holes (which doesn't seem to be true). The problem seems >>>>>> to be that unauthorized code takes advantage of holes in the system >>>>>> get an elevated privilege level and access things it shouldn't. >> >>>>> If you have a file daemon, you can protect all files >>>>> and directories from any access at all times. >> >>>> There you go, utterly mangling the terminology just like you always do. >> >>> No, she has just given some references to >>> som DEC systems that have fallen into disuse. >> >> She isn't doing that in this case with her claim that 'you can >> protect all files and directories from any access at all times' > I did this every day at work. You never protected' all files and directories from any access at all times' > Even the god ppn [1,2] couldn't access my files if I didn't want them to. That is nothing even remotely like 'all files and directories from any access at all times' > The ones I did allow to access left a log in my directory. Not true of other access to other files. And that approach requires someone or something to check those logs anyway.
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