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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: The joy of simplicity? |
| Date | 2015-07-13 05:40 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d0fu5eF5ltqU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (9 earlier) <171436069458247542.238143peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <ILWdnVDmvrKguz3InZ2dnUU78WednZ2d@giganews.com> <rbu57c-p54.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> <WuKdnTz6eoAi7zzInZ2dnUU78X2dnZ2d@giganews.com> <PM00051AAD3E31090D@aca46c7b.ipt.aol.com> |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message
news:PM00051AAD3E31090D@aca46c7b.ipt.aol.com...
> Andrew Swallow wrote:
>> On 10/07/2015 23:42, Morten Reistad wrote:
>>> In article <ILWdnVDmvrKguz3InZ2dnUU78WednZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/07/2015 19:59, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2015-07-10, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 09/07/2015 15:20, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> {snip}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, if you disable stuff, most websites simply won't
>>>>>>>>> work,
>>>>>>>>> or even won't let you access them. If you have an old version of
>>>>>>>>> I/E, there are sites that block you from entering.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The US Government is big enough and powerful enough to say make you
>>>>>>>> website work with our secure browser or our agencies and suppliers
>>>>>>>> will not work with you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They need a secure browser first, and I don't think such a beast
> exists.
>>>>>>> Security conflicts with a major goal of the internet
>>>>>>> project -openness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still, there's nothing that says an open-source system can't be
>>>>>> secure,
>>>>>> provided you keep the keys secret. Knowing how a lock works doesn't
>>>>>> automatically mean you can crack it. And what's the alternative?
>>>>>> Certainly not closed source, which can contain all sorts of back
>>>>>> doors
>>>>>> whose existence can never be disproved. "Security through obscurity"
>>>>>> has been pretty much discredited (except among True Believers, of
> course).
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is you have to secure a lot of things. Obviously
>>>>> javascript
>>>>> and java are out, unless it would be acceptable to download stuff from
>>>>> approved sites. Flash is out. What else is commonly used that would
> have
>>>>> to be redesigned to be secure?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Self playing things will have to go. Nothing executable from the
>>>> internet.
>>>> A (new?) video format will need choosing. No holes in it.
>>>> Take the programmable macro facilities out of word processors and other
>>>> office software. (Facilities like search, formatting and spelling
>>>> checking will have to be coded into the source code.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> There will always be some programmatic device that slips through the
>>> mesh. Like all the lua-enabled systems.
>>>
>>> Better to let them play out in a sandbox, where you set the execution
>>> environment to be a safe one that can at the very worst use cpu cycles,
>>> send bits to and from the network, and do a dos attack against itself.
>>>
>>> -- mrr
>>>
>>
>> This will help but unfortunately the database you are keeping secret
>> ends up inside the sandbox.
>
> Implement a file daemon like we did on TOPS-10.
Doesn’t do a damned thing about the problem he is talking about.
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