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Re: Time for a new language?

From Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201106.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.misc
Subject Re: Time for a new language?
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Date 2011-06-17 03:25 +0200
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> Higher level is not more abstraction from the machine, but closer to the
> problem domain.

That would be a good definition in theory but it reality it is not that
way. There used to be more domain specific languages than there are now. Now
the higher and higher level languages are just scripting languages that are
general purpose languages.

> While the first steps away from assembler are the same in both
> definitions, one could discuss if Java really is closer to the problem
> domain than e.g. C++.  They are both similar OOP general purpose
> languages.

You may have a good point and I think it has to do with the libraries more
than the languages. People have really made a mistake by separating
libraries and languages because it's a false separation. Just because they
decide to separate the implementation of libraries and languages is no
reason to package them separately. Neither Java nor C++ would be worth
anything without their respective libraries.

> Scripting languages originally were closer to the problem domain, since
> they were engineered to script various binaries together in a "script",
> and thus more highlevel.

Hmmm not sure what you meant here, but my bullshit detector moved to the red
zone ;-)

> An OS specific scripting language is thus still more highlevel than a
> general purpose portable language.

Yes but can you name any? Almost all scripting languages today are cross
platform.

> Well, unless you define portability as your main problem domain, obviously
> ;-)

No, that is a very big mistake in logic. Portability is not a problem
domain, it's a feature (or not).

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Re: Time for a new language? Jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2011-05-03 18:58 -0700
  Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-06 10:16 -0500
    Re: Time for a new language? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-06-06 21:45 +0200
      Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-06 13:10 -0700
        Re: Time for a new language? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201106.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-06-08 14:09 +0200
          Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-08 12:56 -0500
            Re: Time for a new language? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-06-09 02:31 +0200
              Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-09 09:10 -0500
              Re: Time for a new language? cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2011-06-09 16:37 +0000
                Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-09 10:39 -0700
                Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-10 04:46 -0700
                Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-10 12:15 -0700
          Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-08 11:03 -0700
      Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-06 16:47 -0500
        Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-07 01:17 -0700
          Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-07 03:07 -0700
            Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-07 04:21 -0700
          Re: Time for a new language? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-06-07 11:26 +0100
            Re: Time for a new language? pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-06-07 07:45 -0400
              Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-07 13:02 -0700
            Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-07 12:49 -0700
          Re: Time for a new language? gremnebulin <peterdjones@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-13 16:36 -0700
          Re: Time for a new language? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-17 10:25 +1200
            Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-16 23:11 -0700
              Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-17 01:39 -0700
                Re: Time for a new language? "H.J. Sander Bruggink" <sander.bruggink@uni-due.de> - 2011-06-17 11:05 +0200
                Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-17 02:54 -0700
                Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-17 10:55 -0700
            Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-17 00:55 -0700
        Re: Time for a new language? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201106.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-06-08 23:54 +0200
          Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-08 17:37 -0500
        Re: Time for a new language? Marco van de Voort <marcov@turtle.stack.nl> - 2011-06-14 10:23 +0000
        Re: Time for a new language? torbenm@diku.dk (Torben Ægidius Mogensen) - 2011-06-14 16:45 +0200
          Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-14 15:11 -0700
          Re: Time for a new language? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-06-15 01:41 -0400
            Re: Time for a new language? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-06-15 15:40 +0200
          Re: Time for a new language? Marco van de Voort <marcov@turtle.stack.nl> - 2011-06-16 09:32 +0000
            Re: Time for a new language? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201106.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-06-17 03:25 +0200
              Re: Time for a new language? Marco van de Voort <marcov@turtle.stack.nl> - 2011-06-17 08:38 +0000
                Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-17 07:42 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? Marco van de Voort <marcov@turtle.stack.nl> - 2011-06-17 12:59 +0000
                Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-17 08:48 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-17 14:07 -0700
                Re: Time for a new language? Marco van de Voort <marcov@turtle.stack.nl> - 2011-06-19 15:57 +0000
                Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-20 13:21 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201106.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-06-17 22:10 +0200
                Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-17 07:47 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? Marco van de Voort <marcov@turtle.stack.nl> - 2011-06-17 13:02 +0000
                Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-17 09:06 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-17 07:53 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-17 13:37 -0700
                Re: Time for a new language? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-06-17 19:25 +0200
                Re: Time for a new language? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201106.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-06-22 09:41 +0200
                Re: Time for a new language? torbenm@diku.dk (Torben Ægidius Mogensen) - 2011-06-22 11:06 +0200
                Re: Time for a new language? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-06-22 19:30 +0200
                Re: Time for a new language? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-06-22 10:21 +0100
              Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-17 07:37 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-17 11:18 -0700

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