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Simon Turner wrote:
> On 26 Aug, in article
>      <PM00051E35A96B2744@aca41c8f.ipt.aol.com> See.above@aol.com
>      "jmfbahciv" wrote:
>
>> Simon Turner wrote:
>> > On 25 Aug, in article
>> >      <PM00051E2218DFCC8B@aca4161c.ipt.aol.com> See.above@aol.com
>> >      "jmfbahciv" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> >> > On 24 Aug 2015 09:26:18 GMT
>> >> > Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Agreed. William Gibsons last was disappointing[1],
>> >> >
>> >> >     Agreed - he ran out of steam quite quickly.
>> >> >
>> >> >> and there is a threat
>> >> >> of another Pratchett coming out. Did they transfer his intellagence
>> >> >> to a computer
>> >> >
>> >> >     We can hope, sadly it's probably just publishing delays.
>> >> >
>> >> I just finished reading _the Fifth Elephant_.  His wife was
>> >> a co-author.  Perhaps she's finishing up other scripts he started.
>> >
>> > I think you're reading too much into the fact that the copyright in all
>> > Sir Terry's books (from the late 80s on) was in joint names with his
>> > wife Lyn; she wasn't a co-author.  As he said himself:
>> >
>> >   Copyright does not necessarily have anything to do with authorship --
>> >   an author can assign copyright wherever he or she likes. Lyn and I are
>> >   a legal partnership, and so we hold copyright jointly (for various
>> >   mildly beneficial reasons) in the same way that, if we ever bothered
>> >   to form a limited company, that would hold the copyright. At random
>> >   I've picked a few favourite books off the shelf, and can say that it's
>> >   not unusual for copyright not to be held simply in the name of the
>> >   author. I do all the writing!
>> >
>> > http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/words-from-the-master.html
>> >
>>
>> IIRC, the copyright was 2002.
>
> 1999 [0].
>
>> he would have started to suffer from mental breakdowns by then.
>
> "Mental breakdowns"??  What on Earth are you on about?
>
> His Alzheimer's was of a rare type called Posterior Cortical Atrophy,
> which affects visual processing (and hence things that depend on it,
> like reading, eye-hand coordination, visuo-spatial awareness etc.); his
> cognitive ability was unimpaired, which is why he was able to continue
> writing (using speech recognition and dictation towards the end because
> he could no longer type).

OK.  that wasn't the news item I had heard.

>
> The first symptoms reportedly started showing around 2004-5, and it was
> initially misdiagnosed as a minor stroke that had affected his motor
> skills.  The PCA was diagnosed in 2007.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posterior_cortical_atrophy
>
>> Do you really believe that his wife wasn't involved in his work?
>
> "Involved in" as in co-authorship?  Absolutely.  Not least because he
> said so himself: "I do all the writing!" (see above).


Have you ever heard of feedback?  :-)


>
> And note that, while the *copyright* was assigned to Terry and Lyn
> Pratchett, the *authorship* is clearly established in a subsequent
> paragraph (quoting from "The Fifth Elephant"):
>
>   Copyright (C) Terry and Lyn Pratchett 1999
>   Discworld(R) is a trademark registered by Terry Pratchett
>
>   The right of Terry Pratchett to be identified as the author of this
>   work has been asserted in accordance with sections 77 and 78 of the
>   Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.

Your copyright is worded differently than the ones I read over here (USA).

>
> If Lyn had been a co-author, as you claim, surely that would have been
> "The rights of Terry and Lyn Pratchett to be identified as the authors
> of this work..."?

I didnt' intend to imply that she was the author.  She must know enough
about his work and style to be able to pick up unfinished work, finish
it, and publish post-mortem.

>
> Or are you trying to claim that all spouses/partners of successful
> authors are really co-authors simply by virtue of their place in the
> authors' lives?


See above.

>
>
> [0] In my UK edition; it's possible, I suppose, that your US edition has
> a later copyright date.  (I don't know if it's typical for book
> copyrights to be "refreshed" when published in another country, although
> a three-year UK-US publication delay seems rather long.)


Yes, that's strange.  Copyright pages have been puzzling me lately.
>
>
> Epilogue:
>
> I know there are some people in this group who seem to make it their
> business to contradict everything you say, which seems a shame.  I have
> never been one of them; I don't post often, but you may note that some
> of my posts over the years have been in support of you.
>
> But when you come up with stuff like this -- initially a clear, and
> understandable, misunderstanding -- and then refuse to accept a gentle
> correction, going on to compound your initial misapprehension by making
> thoroughly silly further claims, you really don't help your own cause.
> 8-(
>
The subject was a new publication by Pratchett.  I merely HYPOTHESIZED
that it might be something he had started and his wife finished.  Why
is that not possible?

/BAH

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