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Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories

From Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.devel
Subject Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories
Date 2024-11-26 17:50 +0100
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On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 04:27:37PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> >> > Yes, as they don't enable pristine-tar
> >> 
> >> Is pristine-tar still valuable these days?
> >
> > Unfortunately yes. AFAIK the two options for fixing this that are
> > usually proposed are:
> >
> > 1) treat it as a problem of each individual developer, just like
> > pristine-tar. Instead of pristine-tar, invent new tooling to manage
> > tarballs.
> > This path often tries to solve the problem only for Debian and only
> > in a narrow scenario.
> >
> > 2) Have all uploads always supply a new orig.tar.gz. This could mean
> > either treating every package as Debian-native, or some other
> > solution.
> > This is a global solution and reduces complexity instead of adding
> > to it.
> 
> Until we record expected upstream tarball hashes in a debian/* file, an
> acceptable approach seems to be to skip the pristine-tar branch and be
> sure to download the previous orig.tar.* + orig.tar.*.asc from the
> Debian archive, instead of attempting to re-generate it from the
> upstream/ branch (which isn't guaranteed to be bit-by-bit reproducible).
> 
> I have never understood what value there is in duplicating the uploaded
> tarball in the git repository.  Recording a hash of it is sufficient.
> But I'm also happy to work with pristine-tar branches when that is the
> workflow for a particular package.  I just wish the tooling handled
> *.asc files better, and stored them too automatically.

One possible rebuttal to this is "gbp needs to do the right thing then".
Currently gbp by default generates a broken tarball, which is also a
source of confusion for many.

-- 
WBR, wRAR

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  Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-11-18 17:20 +0100
    Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-11-19 16:30 +0100
      Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-11-21 05:20 +0100
        Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-11-21 12:30 +0100
          Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-11-21 14:40 +0100
            Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-11-22 03:20 +0100
          Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-21 18:10 +0100
          Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-11-22 03:00 +0100
            Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2024-11-22 12:40 +0100
              Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless  repositories "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 10:00 +0100
        Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2024-11-22 01:20 +0100
        Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless  repositories "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 10:00 +0100
          Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 12:00 +0100
            Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless  repositories "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 13:00 +0100
              Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 13:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2024-11-26 16:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 17:50 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-11-26 18:10 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Mechtilde Stehmann <mechtilde@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 19:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 19:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-03 03:50 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-03 09:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 19:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 19:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2024-11-26 21:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 21:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2024-11-26 21:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 23:40 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-11-27 10:10 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2024-11-27 11:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2024-11-27 11:20 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2024-11-28 09:50 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-28 10:10 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2024-11-28 10:50 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-28 11:10 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2024-11-28 12:10 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-11-28 13:10 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-11-27 13:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-27 13:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-11-27 13:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-11-27 13:50 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-11-27 14:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-11-27 14:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-03 03:50 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless  repositories "Andrea Pappacoda" <tachi@debian.org> - 2024-12-07 14:40 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-12-07 18:50 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-12-07 19:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-10 00:10 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless  repositories "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2024-12-09 22:40 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-11-27 05:40 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Aaron Rainbolt <arraybolt3@gmail.com> - 2024-11-27 06:50 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-27 13:20 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless  repositories "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2024-12-02 13:50 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu> - 2024-11-28 09:10 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2024-11-28 10:40 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless  repositories Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-11-28 11:10 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org> - 2024-11-28 13:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-11-28 13:10 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-11-28 13:10 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-28 13:20 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless  repositories Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-11-28 15:10 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-28 15:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-11-29 03:20 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-11-29 08:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless  repositories Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2024-11-29 13:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories sre4ever@free.fr - 2024-11-29 13:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2024-11-29 15:20 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories sre4ever@free.fr - 2024-11-29 17:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2024-11-29 18:40 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories sre4ever@free.fr - 2024-11-29 19:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-11-28 13:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu> - 2024-11-28 21:40 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2024-11-29 11:00 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories sre4ever@free.fr - 2024-11-29 17:20 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-12-03 03:50 +0100
              Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-26 14:50 +0100
              Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2024-11-26 23:40 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2024-11-27 05:30 +0100
                Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Marco d'Itri <md@linux.it> - 2024-11-27 09:00 +0100
  Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Peter Pentchev <roam@ringlet.net> - 2024-11-18 17:30 +0100
    Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Kari Pahula <kaol@debian.org> - 2024-11-18 19:20 +0100
      Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-18 19:40 +0100
      Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Blair Noctis <ncts@debian.org> - 2024-11-22 07:50 +0100
  Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-11-18 19:20 +0100
  Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-11-19 07:40 +0100
    Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2024-11-22 00:40 +0100
      Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2024-11-22 12:30 +0100
        Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2024-11-22 12:50 +0100
          Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2024-11-22 13:10 +0100
            Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2024-11-22 13:30 +0100
          Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories sre4ever@free.fr - 2024-11-27 09:20 +0100
            Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-11-27 10:00 +0100
      Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2024-11-23 00:20 +0100
        Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2024-11-23 07:40 +0100
  Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-11-21 03:30 +0100
  Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories Stefano Rivera <stefanor@debian.org> - 2024-11-21 15:20 +0100

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