Re: Intel CPU prices going up?

Subject	Re: Intel CPU prices going up?
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From	Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com>
Date	2018-10-23 02:45 -0400
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On 10/15/2018 1:36 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> Every manufacturer has a maximum threshold for producing a product.  A
> bakery can only produce as many loaves of bread per day as they have
> ovens. 

By that token, then Intel is one of the largest bakers ever.

> They cannot exceed that threshold without investing more money
> when conjecturing long-lived increased demand.  Without adding more
> plants, Intel cannot increase their volume.  Adding a plant or extending
> an existing one costs a lot of money which is only be reasonably
> qualified for expense if demand is expected to continue indefinitly, not
> for a minor blip in demand.  Demand has gone up and exceeded their
> manufacturing volume.

But that's not the case here. Demand hasn't gone up, it's stayed mostly 
the same, but they are having trouble supplying even the same number of 
chips they used to easily supply with previous generations. For the new 
8-core i9-9900K, they have apparently only produced about 500 chips 
overall for the entire world! And so far no i7-9700K's at all! Add in 
the problems with producing even i3's and i5's, something is wrong, 
especially on a mature node like 14nm! I think it might have something 
to do with having to compete against AMD: AMD can put out a 6-core or an 
8-core quite easily, it just puts two quad-core CCX's together; but 
Intel has to create a brand new single die. And the dies are much 
bigger, so yield must be lower?

And today, there was a rumour that they had completely cancelled their 
10nm program! Intel denied it later, but usually they don't bother to 
address rumours unless it really hit close to home.

	Yousuf Khan

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