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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

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On 4/11/17, 9:03 AM, in article 5hupect511pblr7r9asm2e5ir4u756p1m5@4ax.com,
"Ken Blake" <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Well, I know this is off topic, but for folks who travel through AZ,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I *highly* recommend both of these places... been too long
>>>>>>>>>> since I have gone to the first and FAR too long since I went to the
>>>>>>>>>> the second.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>     <http://www.cafelalibela.com>
>>>>>>>>>>     <http://www.zemams.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've never been to the first of those, but I've been to the second a
>>>>>>> couple of times. I liked it, but as I said in another message a moment
>>>>>>> ago, I didn't like it as much as you apparently did.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have not been to the second one since about 2000... so if you have been
>>>>>> more recently then it could have changed or, perhaps, we just have
>>>>>> different tastes (oh, the horror!).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I miss little about Tucson... but I do miss the food. There was Zemam's
>>>>>> and Mi Nidito (best Mexican food I have had, other perhaps in Mexico...
>>>>>> and even then maybe not), Char's Thai, Govinda's (run by the Hare
>>>>>> Krishnas), etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> We clearly have very different tastes.
>>>>> 
>>>> I have no issue with that. :)
>>>> 
>>>> What type food do you like? Many Americans like the more "meat and
>>>> potatoes" type food and I can enjoy that, too... but tend to prefer other.
>>> 
>>> I like almost all kinds: in no particular order, French, Italian (but
>>> not the common Italian-American food you find in most US restaurants),
>> 
>> Agreed... you can keep Olive Garden. :)
> 
> No thanks <g>
> 
> As far as I'm concerned, Olive Garden is even worse than most
> Italian-American restaurants.

One opened in my fairly small town a number of years ago. People went wild
over it. I went ONCE with a work function. No desire to go back. Had been to
other ones years before and it was as horrid as I remembered.

Used to be a GREAT one not too far from me -- family owned and operated --
but they closed a few years ago. Sigh. Same with Thai... there was a great
one but they moved and went "upscale"... and, I think, the quality went down
and the prices went up (though it is still good).
 
>>> Chinese  (but not the common Chinese-American food you find in most US
>>> restaurants), Japanese (especially sushi), Indian, Thai, Vietnamese,
>>> Moroccan, German, Czech, Hungarian, Mexican, Brazilian, Argentine,
>>> etc. I've eaten all of those in their native countries.
>> 
>> I have eaten all of those, but NOT in their native countries and, I am sure,
>> the Americanized version of many.
> 
> Interestingly, because there have been so many Japanese businessmen in
> the USA, most Japanese restaurants here have pretty authentic food.

When I lived in Las Vegas there were some pretty good ones... and authentic
enough where they had rooms where English was discouraged, the menus there
were only in Japanese, and you sat in traditional Japanese style. I do not
speak a word of Japanese (well, essentially), but would go to that room with
friends who spoke at least some.

> I first started eating Japanese food in NYC around 1954. In those days
> there were three Japanese restaurants in NYC, and  as far as I know,
> none others in the rest of the US.

Times have changed!

>> I have been to France for a short time and the food was great there, too. And
>> I have spent time in New York where you can get a very wide variety. Also
>> California (both LA area and San Francisco).
> 
> I used to live in  NY, so I know (or at least knew) most of the better
> restaurants there pretty well. I never lived in California, but I've
> traveled there a fair amount, so I know a lot of the restaurants,
> especially in SF, pretty well.

I would like to know both better... largely for the food but also for other
reasons. :)
 
>>> I do most of the cooking in our house, and besides simple American
>>> dishes, I mostly cook Indian and Italian food.
>> 
>> We do most of our own cooking at home -- eating out only rarely. We ended up
>> with a bunch of veggies (already had some and then a friend was moving and
>> gave stuff to us) so have been having a lot of stir fries... non-authentic.
>> Last night I made a peanut-lime sauce (Pad Thai inspired but by no means the
>> same) and tonight a sweet and sour sauce.
>>
>> I am sure very authentic with my
>> use of ketchup. :)
> 
> When I was a young kid, I had the world's narrowest diet. I liked and
> would eat only a handful of things, and almost all of them except ice
> cream, with ketchup.
> 
> These days I'm the exact opposite. I eat and like almost everything,
> and never use ketchup.

I use it sometimes... but more often it is used in BBQ sauces and the like
that I (or my wife or oldest daughter) makes.

> My wife used to pick me up at the train station (I worked in the city)
> and we went to a particular Chinese restaurant in the NY suburb where
> we lived every Friday. One Friday evening I left work late, and by the
> time we got to the restaurant, it was empty except for a big round
> table at the back where the staff was eating. I said to the owner,
> "What are they eating? Why don't we get any of that?"
> 
> He said "You wouldn't like it; it's real Chinese food." I said "try
> us." So the next week we had a Chinese tripe dish. For several years
> we had a different "real" Chinese dish every Friday: tripe, pig's
> ears, pig stomachs, etc. We always got them in addition to what we
> ordered and he never charged us for them.
> 
> Years later he confessed to us that he went to his butcher every
> Friday morning and asked "What do you have that's weird?"

LOL! I would not have minded. As long as they were willing to eat it I would
try... except for maybe some things I am culturally against such as dog and
cat and the like.

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