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Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low

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On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 22:48:48 +0000
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Computer Nerd Kev quoted:
> 
> > "It shouldn't be news to you that most of the corporate-backed
> >   developers working on the Linux desktop are no longer investing in
> >   new feature work around the X.Org Server and have shifted their
> >   efforts to a Wayland-focused environment moving forward."
> 
> I think that's a good thing ... right?  Provided the efforts to waylandize 
> everything doesn't fizzle out ...

For context , the opening post of the thread gave the link
https://www.phoronix.com/news/XServer-2022-Development-Pace  which says
    Of course, it's not that X.Org Server is feature-complete and great as
    there still are issues around HDR support, synchronization improvements,
    and other enhancements that could be made along with better tackling the
    X.Org Server security,

.I do think that the X server is great. I don't think that something as
wide ranging as this can ever be "feature-complete" , there will always be
some feature someone wants.

Anyway , I don't know what the features in the quote mean. I could look them
up but I'm not that curious. As long as bugs get fixed (assuming there are
any left) , that's fine by me.

I remember looking into Wayland a while ago. Anything it aimed to do and
supposedly the X server does not do (well) , I did not care about or thought
it was a very minor issue or didn't even know what it meant ! For example ,
one issue was storing fonts in the server. An entirely minor issue. Another
was that certain drawing primitives are better done in a library like Cairo.
Perhaps but that's a long discussion in its own right like how "better" is
defined and measured.

So I decided that I'm not interested in Wayland.

> <https://arewewaylandyet.com>

No  vim  on that page.

> I mean, running Xeyes on a colleague's VAXstation was fun once or twice, and 
> firing up a gnome session to your own windows desktop using cygwinand  XDMCP was 
> so horribly insecure you'd only do it with the confines of your own four walls, 

What's wrong with an  ssh  connection ?

> what do people actually want X11 for now?

I watch movies , look at images , surf the internet , read PDF and postscript
files , type text (like this one) and run terminal emulators. I use the great
and minimal  ratpoison  window manager. I don't use a desktop environment as
such. I play the occasional game too but I haven't done that in a long time.
The X server works fine and I'm of the opinion "if it works , don't fix it"
especially for something as complicated as this. I also know the X
programming interface. I assume there is something analogous for Wayland and
it may be great for all I know but I don't have unlimited time and the X
server interface already does what I want.

-- 
vlaho.ninja/prog

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[LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-01-05 07:49 +1000
  Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-01-04 22:48 +0000
    Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-01-04 19:35 -0500
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2023-01-05 01:14 -0400
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-01-05 11:33 +0000
        Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 18:11 +0000
          Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-01-05 19:33 +0000
            Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 20:32 +0000
            Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-08 03:00 +0000
              Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-01-09 06:57 +1000
          Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-01-09 08:16 +0100
            Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-01-09 19:32 +1000
        Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-01-09 08:15 +0100
          Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-01-10 20:28 +0000
    Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Marco Moock <nn263@uni-heidelberg.de> - 2023-01-05 08:44 +0100
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-01-05 11:40 +0000
        Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-01-05 12:56 +0100
          Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 11:11 -0500
            Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-01-06 08:37 +1000
              Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low ant <ant@anthive.com> - 2023-01-05 21:15 -0500
                Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-01-06 17:00 +1000
              Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-08 03:11 +0000
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2023-01-05 17:26 -0400
    Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2023-01-05 09:29 +0000
    Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Nicholas Outre <nothing@nowhere.net> - 2023-01-05 10:33 -0500
    Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 18:31 +0000
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-01-05 19:29 +0000
        Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 20:25 +0000
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-01-06 08:50 +1000
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2023-01-06 15:30 +0000
  Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-09 05:46 +0000
    Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-20 23:13 +0000

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