Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low

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From	not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject	Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low
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Date	2023-01-09 06:57 +1000
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In comp.misc Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In comp.misc Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
>> 
>>> I was under the impression that one of the plans for Wayland was to be able
>>> to run X server on top of it so that all X11 applications would continue to
>>> work. Has this plan been abandoned ?
>> 
>> I think that still exists, XServer sits on top of Wayland, apps tolk to XServer, 
>> believing it's Xorg, but when that first crept into Fedora, it seemed to break 
>> the tradional way of X remoting by
>> 
>> export DISPLAY=host:0.0
>> 
> 
> That is because modern versions of the XServer have disabled TCP
> listening by default.

Correct, and they didn't document the change properly either. Last
time I checked the current version of the man page didn't describe
the changed default. If they're going to mess with core
functionality like that and not bother to document it, then I
_would_ much rather that they wound down work on Xorg.

> $ cat /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
> #!/bin/sh
> exec /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp "$@"
> 
> You need to remove the '-nolisten tcp' from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
> That should do the trick.

Incorrect, that's what you needed to do _before_ the change to the
Xorg server. Now '-nolisten tcp' is the default so that argument
does nothing. Instead to enable remote connections like X used to
do without the '-nolisten tcp' option, you use the '-listen tcp'
option in the same place:

exec /usr/bin/X -listen tcp "$@"

But I don't know whether that's the problem in Fedora, or even how
they actually launch X within Wayland there (do they even use
xinit or startx?).

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[LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-01-05 07:49 +1000
  Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-01-04 22:48 +0000
    Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-01-04 19:35 -0500
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2023-01-05 01:14 -0400
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-01-05 11:33 +0000
        Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 18:11 +0000
          Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-01-05 19:33 +0000
            Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 20:32 +0000
            Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-08 03:00 +0000
              Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-01-09 06:57 +1000
          Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-01-09 08:16 +0100
            Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-01-09 19:32 +1000
        Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-01-09 08:15 +0100
          Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-01-10 20:28 +0000
    Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Marco Moock <nn263@uni-heidelberg.de> - 2023-01-05 08:44 +0100
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-01-05 11:40 +0000
        Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-01-05 12:56 +0100
          Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 11:11 -0500
            Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-01-06 08:37 +1000
              Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low ant <ant@anthive.com> - 2023-01-05 21:15 -0500
                Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-01-06 17:00 +1000
              Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-08 03:11 +0000
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2023-01-05 17:26 -0400
    Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2023-01-05 09:29 +0000
    Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Nicholas Outre <nothing@nowhere.net> - 2023-01-05 10:33 -0500
    Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 18:31 +0000
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-01-05 19:29 +0000
        Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 20:25 +0000
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-01-06 08:50 +1000
      Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2023-01-06 15:30 +0000
  Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-09 05:46 +0000
    Re: [LINK] X11 Server Development Pace Hits A Two Decade Low Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-20 23:13 +0000

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