Re: Time for a new language?

From	Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.misc, comp.programming
Subject	Re: Time for a new language?
Date	2011-06-17 10:25 +1200
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On 06/ 7/11 08:17 PM, tm wrote:
>
> I consider Seed7 higher level than Java and C++ because Seed7
> defines things in libraries that Java and C++ have hard-coded in
> their compilers. So I consider arrays defined with an abstract data
> type as higher level than hard-coded arrays.
>
> To see how hard-coded things work, look at the C conversions for
> numeric values. Chapter A6 of ANSI-K&R distinguishes between:
>    Intergral Promotion
>    Integral Converions
>    Integer and Floating
>    Floating Types
>    Arithmetic Conversions
>    Pointers and Integers
> The rules are not simple, and they changed between K&R-C and ANSI-C.

They may not be simple, but they are well understood and contribute to 
the metaphors that enable C programmers to understand each other's code.

> All this rules are hardcoded in every C compiler. Seed7 has no such
> rules. There are just definitions of operators and functions for
> numeric types. I consider that this simplification makes Seed7
> (besides other things) higher level than C.

Isn't that a recipe for write only code?  The reader not only has to 
follow the logic the code attempts to express, but also the rules used 
to express the logic.

> I consider things, that everybody can define, as higher level than
> hard-coded do what I mean concepts (that only authors of compilers
> and interpreters can change).

That's a bit like saying Leggo is the highest level toy...

-- 
Ian Collins

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Re: Time for a new language? Jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2011-05-03 18:58 -0700
  Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-06 10:16 -0500
    Re: Time for a new language? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-06-06 21:45 +0200
      Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-06 13:10 -0700
        Re: Time for a new language? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201106.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-06-08 14:09 +0200
          Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-08 12:56 -0500
            Re: Time for a new language? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-06-09 02:31 +0200
              Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-09 09:10 -0500
              Re: Time for a new language? cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2011-06-09 16:37 +0000
                Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-09 10:39 -0700
                Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-10 04:46 -0700
                Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-10 12:15 -0700
          Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-08 11:03 -0700
      Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-06 16:47 -0500
        Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-07 01:17 -0700
          Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-07 03:07 -0700
            Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-07 04:21 -0700
          Re: Time for a new language? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-06-07 11:26 +0100
            Re: Time for a new language? pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-06-07 07:45 -0400
              Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-07 13:02 -0700
            Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-07 12:49 -0700
          Re: Time for a new language? gremnebulin <peterdjones@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-13 16:36 -0700
          Re: Time for a new language? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-17 10:25 +1200
            Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-16 23:11 -0700
              Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-17 01:39 -0700
                Re: Time for a new language? "H.J. Sander Bruggink" <sander.bruggink@uni-due.de> - 2011-06-17 11:05 +0200
                Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-17 02:54 -0700
                Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-17 10:55 -0700
            Re: Time for a new language? tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-17 00:55 -0700
        Re: Time for a new language? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201106.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-06-08 23:54 +0200
          Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-08 17:37 -0500
        Re: Time for a new language? Marco van de Voort <marcov@turtle.stack.nl> - 2011-06-14 10:23 +0000
        Re: Time for a new language? torbenm@diku.dk (Torben Ægidius Mogensen) - 2011-06-14 16:45 +0200
          Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-14 15:11 -0700
          Re: Time for a new language? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@noavailemail.cmm> - 2011-06-15 01:41 -0400
            Re: Time for a new language? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-06-15 15:40 +0200
          Re: Time for a new language? Marco van de Voort <marcov@turtle.stack.nl> - 2011-06-16 09:32 +0000
            Re: Time for a new language? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201106.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-06-17 03:25 +0200
              Re: Time for a new language? Marco van de Voort <marcov@turtle.stack.nl> - 2011-06-17 08:38 +0000
                Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-17 07:42 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? Marco van de Voort <marcov@turtle.stack.nl> - 2011-06-17 12:59 +0000
                Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-17 08:48 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-17 14:07 -0700
                Re: Time for a new language? Marco van de Voort <marcov@turtle.stack.nl> - 2011-06-19 15:57 +0000
                Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-20 13:21 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201106.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-06-17 22:10 +0200
                Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-17 07:47 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? Marco van de Voort <marcov@turtle.stack.nl> - 2011-06-17 13:02 +0000
                Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-17 09:06 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-17 07:53 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-17 13:37 -0700
                Re: Time for a new language? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-06-17 19:25 +0200
                Re: Time for a new language? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201106.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-06-22 09:41 +0200
                Re: Time for a new language? torbenm@diku.dk (Torben Ægidius Mogensen) - 2011-06-22 11:06 +0200
                Re: Time for a new language? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-06-22 19:30 +0200
                Re: Time for a new language? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-06-22 10:21 +0100
              Re: Time for a new language? "Tony" <nospam@myisp.net> - 2011-06-17 07:37 -0500
                Re: Time for a new language? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-17 11:18 -0700

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