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Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing

From Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
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Subject Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing
Date 2023-08-19 21:46 +0100
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Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:

> On Saturday, 19 August 2023 at 00:15:25 UTC+1, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.ar...@gmail.com> writes: 
>> 
>> > On Thursday, 17 August 2023 at 12:19:55 UTC+1, Ben Bacarisse wrote: 
>> >> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.ar...@gmail.com> writes: 
>> >> 
>> >> > On Thursday, 17 August 2023 at 00:23:26 UTC+1, Ben Bacarisse wrote: 
>> >> >> Bart <b...@freeuk.com> writes: 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> > On 16/08/2023 08:31, Malcolm McLean wrote: 
>> >> >> >> Some people here are interested in Haskell. 
>> >> >> >> They might be interested in this: 
>> >> >> >> https://chrisdone.com/posts/fast-haskell-c-parsing-xml/ 
>> >> >> >> Of course it's written from a pro-Haskell point of view, and writing an 
>> >> >> >> improved version when you've got the C in front of you isn't really a 
>> >> >> >> fair test. But he does match C for speed. 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > "Portability (i.e. Windows) is a pain in the arse with C." 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > I wonder what makes them say that? 
>> >> >> Yes, I wondered that too, since the cut-down XML parsing they are doing 
>> >> >> is one of the most potentially portable bits of C one could write (as 
>> >> >> you say yourself): 
>> >> >> 
>> >> > There are some gotchas with files, but not for the cut down parsing 
>> >> > they implement. 
>> >> > Windows used to accept "rt" for reading a text stream. And there's 
>> >> > still a mess with Unicode. 
>> >> None of that matters for the case in point. The C code treats the input 
>> >> like a stream of 8-bit bytes. You can do that without regard to line 
>> >> convention. 
>> >> > And the XML people say that a parser must 
>> >> > accept UTF-16. 
>> >> Again, that's not relevant to the case in the article. But it's also a 
>> >> completely different issue. An XML parser that must handle either UTF-8 
>> >> or UTF-16 needs a layer below the parser (conceptually) to detect the 
>> >> encoding and return "characters" (as I think you have done). There is 
>> >> no reason to suppose that that can't be written in portable C. 
>> >> > I implement this by having the lexer call a function pointer to read a 
>> >> > UTF-8 character from a stream. If the file is UTF-16, it converts to UTF-8 
>> >> > on the fly. 
>> >> Exactly -- though I think I would not have converted to UTF-8 in a plain 
>> >> parser. Maybe your application make that a good choice. 
>> >> > If it's UTF-8, it's just an alias for fgetc(). 
>> >> > But how do you know the file format? 
>> >> The first character much be '<' (and, technically, it must be the '<' that 
>> >> opens an XML declaration). The encoding should be clear from the first 
>> >> two bytes.
>> I ended up looking at the spec (that's an hour I'll never get back!) and 
>> it's more complicated...
>> >> > I have code that does this, but if 
>> >> > I called it, the XML parser would no longer be a single file module. So 
>> >> > I read the first few character of the file, the seek back to the start 
>> >> > position. 
>> >> > But this only works on seekable streams. 
>> >> 
>> >> Actually, you don't need to read more that one character to determine if 
>> >> the file is UTF-8 or UTF-16, all you need to do is an ungetc call and 
>> >> that works on non-seekable streams. 
>> >> 
>> > You need two characters, because you might have a UTF-16 little-endian 
>> > stream without a BOM. So the first character in 8 bit bytes would be 
>> > '<'.
>> Yes, I wasn't thinking. Thanks. You can't always tell until the second 
>> byte, but you don't have to "unget" anything in that case because you 
>> now know the character. 
>> 
>> But as it happens I spoke way too soon... The full picture is a mess.
>>
> Yes, it's awful. You have an "encoding" field in XML 1.0. But you can't
> depend on it because not all XML is version 1.0, some of it is bare. Now
> I don't have much experience with text, but I reckon that it's entirely
> possible that someone would run XML through a program like iconv,
> and it won't be clever enough to change the "encoding" field:

Maybe.  But you are providing a tool and you don't have to accept
everything.  A converted document with the wrong XML declaration is an
error and you could just reject it.  You don't have to bend over
backwards for bad input.

Not being a Windows user, I've not seen a UTF-16 encoded file in the
wild, so I would not even accept that.  In the Linux world, I'd probably
accept only UTF-8 and point my users to xmllint.

xmllint can read any valid XML file and re-write it using UTF-8 (or,
indeed, many other encodings), changing the XML declaration on the fly.
Hence

  xmllint -encode UTF-8 myresources | babyxrc

would be close to a universal XML processor with little extra work on
your part.  But maybe you probably can't assume your users will want to
do that.

>> It turns out that if you want to be 100% conforming you need to be able 
>> to detect both UCS-4 and (eye roll) EBCDIC. What's more, you need to 
>> set up just enough of the reading mechanism to be able to read the XML 
>> declaration and then adjust the reading mechanism to handle the named 
>> encoding. For your application, ISO-8859-1 might be effectively the 
>> same as ISO-8859-15, but UCS-4 is a complication and you might want to 
>> flag certain errors if the encoding is named as ISO-10646-UCS-2 rather 
>> than UTF-16. 
>>
> The XML people say that a parser must accept  UTF-8 and UTF-16.

Don't they go further?  I thought they did.  Maybe the others are
optional and those two are the only must-haves.

> I have
> heard of files which switch encodings, but I think they are largely mythical.
> The basic idea of XML was very good, but I'm not impressed with the
> standard.

There are two kinds of standards: those that incorporate lots of options
because of all the interested parties, and those that make decisive
choices between competing candidates.

-- 
Ben.

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C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 00:31 -0700
  Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-16 11:14 +0100
    Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-17 00:23 +0100
      Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 21:38 -0700
        Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-17 12:19 +0100
          Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 07:53 -0700
            Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-19 00:15 +0100
              Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:33 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-19 21:46 +0100
              Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 03:04 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2023-08-19 13:19 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-19 14:48 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2023-08-19 15:09 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2023-08-19 15:17 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-19 21:05 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-19 21:05 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-19 21:07 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-19 22:31 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 22:04 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-20 07:41 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-20 17:00 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:20 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 14:45 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-21 00:05 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 19:45 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-21 14:51 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-21 11:28 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 02:59 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-21 15:17 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 23:03 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-22 14:09 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 05:38 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-22 15:31 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 06:51 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-22 19:19 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 21:59 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-23 09:57 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 07:48 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-23 16:05 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 08:21 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-23 19:30 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-23 18:50 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 10:49 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-23 18:08 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-23 21:28 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 20:53 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-24 15:15 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 07:50 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-24 16:48 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-24 17:35 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-24 18:09 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-25 09:59 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-25 09:46 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 01:37 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 08:50 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 01:53 -0700
                Underscores in type names (was : C vs Haskell for XML parsing) Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 09:17 +0000
                Re: Underscores in type names (was : C vs Haskell for XML parsing) Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 11:35 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-25 13:42 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-25 13:59 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing candycane@f172.n1.z21.fsxnet (candycane) - 2023-08-26 00:45 +1300
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-25 19:50 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 02:55 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-26 19:21 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 03:05 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-27 18:28 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-28 14:01 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-28 16:07 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-29 09:16 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-29 19:22 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-29 19:38 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-29 20:11 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-29 21:59 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 00:43 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-30 12:30 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 05:04 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-30 17:50 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-30 19:41 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-31 11:18 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2023-08-30 14:40 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-30 15:03 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 12:00 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-30 20:50 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-31 08:12 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-01 11:51 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-27 00:55 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-28 16:17 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 04:31 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-25 14:06 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2023-08-25 15:35 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 11:45 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2023-08-25 20:06 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 19:35 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 19:55 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 20:26 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-26 19:24 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 02:52 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-26 14:10 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 22:54 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-27 18:39 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-08-27 15:56 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 00:42 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-28 10:39 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 02:03 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-28 13:29 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-28 16:35 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 10:11 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-28 19:40 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 12:31 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-28 22:39 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 14:22 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-28 16:02 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-28 16:21 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 10:05 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 14:50 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 14:50 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-28 14:13 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-26 19:31 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 23:08 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 23:23 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-27 18:41 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-25 13:38 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 11:59 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-25 19:34 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 17:12 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-26 01:44 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-25 22:18 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 19:58 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-25 23:07 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 21:17 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-26 10:12 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 15:13 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-26 19:47 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 19:09 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-26 22:27 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-27 18:55 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-26 02:16 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 18:39 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-25 22:26 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-26 11:07 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-26 10:33 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-26 16:27 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-26 11:57 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-26 17:11 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-26 12:35 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-26 18:24 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-26 13:35 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-26 20:11 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-26 17:07 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-26 22:40 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 23:32 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 03:02 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-27 13:25 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 14:37 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-26 19:49 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-26 22:00 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-26 17:31 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 15:28 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-27 04:24 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 21:59 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing candycane@f172.n1.z21.fsxnet (candycane) - 2023-08-27 02:42 +1300
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-27 11:23 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-27 22:45 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-08-27 19:06 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-08-28 02:18 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 16:21 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-28 00:00 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 19:36 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-28 03:00 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-28 06:58 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 15:22 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-28 16:49 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 17:11 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-29 16:06 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-29 08:27 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-29 01:36 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-29 01:22 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-29 10:40 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 02:53 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 03:00 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-29 16:18 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 13:06 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-29 22:14 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 01:32 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-30 21:09 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-30 12:44 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-08-30 12:32 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 11:44 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-09-09 01:15 -0400
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-31 04:47 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 11:42 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-30 23:36 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-31 08:15 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-01 11:48 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 03:55 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-03 11:44 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 16:20 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-03 16:47 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-09-03 17:24 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-10-03 03:16 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 17:26 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-10-03 03:19 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-29 19:43 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 13:23 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bobby Moore <bobbymoore018@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 13:54 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-29 11:41 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-29 08:29 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-29 16:54 +0100
                Re: Named function arguments (Was : C vs Haskell for XML parsing) Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 19:30 +0000
                Re: Named function arguments (Was : C vs Haskell for XML parsing) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-30 19:53 +0000
                Re: Named function arguments (Was : C vs Haskell for XML parsing) Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 20:07 +0000
                Re: Named function arguments (Was : C vs Haskell for XML parsing) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-30 20:42 +0000
                Re: Named function arguments (Was : C vs Haskell for XML parsing) Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 23:15 +0100
                Re: Named function arguments (Was : C vs Haskell for XML parsing) Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 18:41 +0000
                Re: Named function arguments (Was : C vs Haskell for XML parsing) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-31 12:43 +0200
                Re: Named function arguments (Was : C vs Haskell for XML parsing) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-30 20:40 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-28 14:15 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-28 15:53 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-28 18:41 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-28 18:01 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-28 20:01 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-28 20:14 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-28 19:27 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-28 16:09 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-28 21:53 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-28 20:37 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-28 23:39 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-29 00:23 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 01:01 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-29 19:28 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-29 11:08 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-28 01:31 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 20:18 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-27 18:50 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 19:18 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-27 21:19 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-27 20:33 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 14:14 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 13:56 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-28 11:00 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 15:12 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-29 16:32 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 13:12 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-30 12:50 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 23:38 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-26 14:09 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-27 00:44 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 00:18 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-27 17:56 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-27 19:20 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 11:18 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-08-27 18:34 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 00:32 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-28 11:14 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-28 14:10 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2023-08-29 10:47 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-29 04:53 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-29 06:35 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-08-28 16:12 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-28 08:24 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-28 22:17 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 14:35 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 14:38 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-28 01:00 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-28 11:24 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 03:29 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-28 14:01 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 08:40 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-27 19:11 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-25 14:49 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-25 19:59 +0200
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-25 18:31 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 20:03 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 14:54 -0700
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-22 14:57 +0000
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-22 14:10 +0100
                Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-21 13:46 +0100
    Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 17:32 -0700
      Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 17:47 -0700
    Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-17 00:37 +0000
      Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 17:40 -0700
      Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-17 02:37 -0700
        Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-17 13:50 +0000
  Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-17 00:07 +0100
  Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 17:25 -0700
  Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 03:32 -0700
    Re: C vs Haskell for XML parsing fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 03:42 -0700

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