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Delete user directory on TOPS-10

From jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.sys.pdp10
Subject Delete user directory on TOPS-10
Date 2026-01-16 15:43 -0500
Organization atr2net 2026
Message-ID <87cy39uw3p.fsf@atr2.ath.cx> (permalink)

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I created a new user to make sure I could add/delete users
properly. This was "user1", [30,2]. I deleted the user and all
files. It's long gone. Only problem is, the user directory (UFD) is now
undeletable. Of course, I saw this coming and made a backup before this
but I refuse to believe there's no way to delete UFD's on TOPS-10.

I can change its protection. It's 100% empty. I'm operator. I've tried
to remake the exact same user and then delete it again. Nothing. The
directory is still there. I've setsrc for [1,1] and tried renaming
it. Nothing. I've been through all the manuals I have and have tried all
the magic spells I know. I've been at this for over an hour. I give
up. What's the secret?

.r react

REACT>show user1
?REANSU No such user user1
REACT>show [30,*] /fast
     30,1      JAYJWA
     30,%      30-DEFAULT

 A total of 2 users listed
REACT>exit

.dir dskb:[30,2]

%WLDDEM Directory is empty dskb:[30,2]

.del dskb:[30,2]
Files deleted:
% No file named DSKB: 

.del dskb:[30,2].ufd
?CMLCME Command error detected before: 

.del dskb:[30,2].sfd
?CMLCME Command error detected before: 

.del [30,2].sfd
?CMLCME Command error detected before:

.del [30,2].ufd
?CMLCME Command error detected before: 

.del 30,2.ufd
Files deleted:
% No file named DSK:30 

? [01,01].UFD (2) protection failure

.del user1
Files deleted:
% No file named DSK:USER1 

.del user1.ufd
Files deleted:

? [01,01].UFD (2) protection failure

.protect [30,2].ufd<000>
Files renamed:
DSKB:[30,02].UFD 

.del dskb:[30,02].ufd
?CMLCME Command error detected before: 

.del dskb:[30,02].sfd
?CMLCME Command error detected before: 

.destroy [30,2]
?destroy?

.kill [30,2].ufd
?kill?

.fucking die [30,2].ufd
?fucking?

.del [30,02]sfd
Files deleted:
% No file named DSK:SFD 

.dir


     1,1	  1  <555>   19-Dec-88	DSKB:	[1,1]
     1,4	  6  <775>   19-Dec-88
     3,3	  1  <777>   19-Dec-88
    10,1	  1  <750>   19-Dec-88
     1,2	  1  <775>   19-Dec-88
     1,5	  0  <775>   19-Dec-88
     1,3	  0  <775>   19-Dec-88
    10,7	 10  <775>   19-Dec-88
     2,5	  2  <775>   19-Dec-88
     5,14	  1  <775>   19-Dec-88
     5,11	  2  <775>   19-Dec-88
     5,17	  1  <775>   19-Dec-88
     1,7	  1  <775>   19-Dec-88
     5,24	  1  <775>   19-Dec-88
     5,31	  1  <775>   19-Dec-88
   100,100	  1  <775>   14-Jan-99
    30,1	  1  <775>   16-Jan-99
     5,35	  1  <775>   18-Dec-98
     5,34	  1  <775>   29-Dec-98
     5,30	  1  <755>   15-Jan-99
    30,2	  1  <000>   16-Jan-99  <--- This right here
  Total of 35 blocks in 21 files on DSKB: [1,1]

.del [1,1][30,2]
?CMLCME Command error detected before: ,2]

.del dsk:[30,2].ufd
?CMLCME Command error detected before: 

.del dsk:[30,2].sfd
?CMLCME Command error detected before:

I've tried <755>, <555>, and <755>. Nothing kills [30,2]. How to remove
it without resorting to the backup?

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Delete user directory on TOPS-10 jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-16 15:43 -0500
  Re: Delete user directory on TOPS-10 Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-16 18:17 -0500
    Re: Delete user directory on TOPS-10 jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:14 -0500
  Re: Delete user directory on TOPS-10 "G." <nan6328@iperbole.invalid> - 2026-01-17 19:29 +0100
    Re: Delete user directory on TOPS-10 jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-17 17:19 -0500

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