Re: Ofcom looks at Meta

From	Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com>
Newsgroups	uk.tech.broadcast, uk.telecom
Subject	Re: Ofcom looks at Meta
Date	2026-02-01 13:42 +0000
Organization	Frantic
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"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:

> On 2026/2/1 10:52:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 01/02/2026 09:02, Julian Macassey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 18:37:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 28/01/2026 17:59, Julian Macassey wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2026 08:38:54 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had Netflix included with my broadband but I don't think I have
>>>>>> ever watched any of their own stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is this week's definition of broadband?  Well its all very
>>>> open to question.
>>>
>>> 	So, it is in fact whatever the vendor says it is.
>
> Correct.
>
>>>>
>>>> Originally 'broadband' was what was applied to telephone lines that
>>>> used more than 'baseband' to transfer data (modems of the audible
>>>> sort).  i,e,. DSL of various flavours.
>>>
>>> 	That was decades ago.
>>>
> But doesn't make it invalid.
>
>>>>
>>>> It's been widened to include FTTP, But its arguable as to whether
>>>> mobile data should be under its name.
>>>
>>> 	These days, selling cellular 5G and DSL as broadband is fraud.
>
> For it to be fraud, there'd need to be a legal definition of what
> broadband means.
>
> I agree, it is (arguably mis-)used these days just to mean internet
> access, but that's the way things are.
>> 
>> I see you do not actually understand why it was called broadband in
>> the first place
>> 
>>>>
>>>> That is usally 'mobile broadband' at best.
>>>
>>> 	Which isn't broadband.
>>>
> By your definition - which is?
>> 
>>>
>> 
>
> Sadly (in some ways), language evolves - often in ways that some of us
> find irritating, especially when the change mangles (or even
> reverses!)  the original meaning. This can apply especially in
> technical areas. But there's nothing you can do about it (I know: my
> brother works for the dictionary), unless it has been tied down
> legally in some agreement/contract (and then only in the context of
> that agreement/contract).

BT's 2Mbps service was called broadband (2005?), but it was slower than
5g is now. Their website was saying "broadband is here" in 2002, so
imagine how slow that was.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020619040045/http://www.bt.com/index.jsp

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Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-01-24 00:54 +0000
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    Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:02 +0000
      Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-01-24 14:06 +0000
        Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-01-24 14:38 +0000
          Re: Ofcom looks at Meta John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-01-24 15:07 +0000
            Re: Ofcom looks at Meta JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-01-25 08:38 +0000
              Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-01-25 10:12 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-01-25 12:36 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 14:01 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-01-25 20:56 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-01-26 08:10 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> - 2026-01-26 09:25 +0000
              Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> - 2026-01-28 17:59 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-28 18:37 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta jkn <jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk> - 2026-01-28 21:27 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> - 2026-02-01 09:02 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-01 10:52 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-01 12:22 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-02-01 13:42 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-02-01 20:19 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-02 00:45 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-01 20:27 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-02-01 23:43 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-02 11:47 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-02 01:49 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-02-02 02:18 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-02 02:51 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-02-02 03:15 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-02-02 12:44 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-02 12:01 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-02-02 20:58 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-03 13:04 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-02 11:58 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-02 11:51 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-01 20:19 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-02 00:58 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> - 2026-02-06 13:16 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-02-06 20:45 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-02-06 22:30 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-06 22:49 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-02-06 23:57 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-02-07 00:14 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-02-10 10:34 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-02-10 13:01 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-10 13:34 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-02-11 10:34 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-11 12:16 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-11 13:02 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-11 14:16 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-02-11 19:57 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-01-28 19:05 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-01-28 20:22 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-01-28 20:49 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-01-28 23:20 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-01-29 01:04 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-29 10:44 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-01-29 19:28 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-01-29 22:22 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-30 10:18 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-01-29 15:17 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-01-29 19:42 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Mike Humphrey <mail@michaelhumphrey.me.uk> - 2026-01-30 09:38 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-02-03 14:39 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-02-02 09:06 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-02 13:18 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-02 15:14 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-02-02 17:56 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-02-03 09:42 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-03 10:40 +0000
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                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-03 21:03 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-02-03 21:30 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-04 09:09 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-03-23 20:20 +0100
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-04-12 08:48 +0100
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-04-16 12:47 +0100
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-02-02 15:49 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-02 16:59 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-02-03 10:01 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-03 10:45 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-02-03 11:45 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-03 12:34 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-02-03 16:00 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-03 18:28 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-02-03 19:37 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-03 21:06 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> - 2026-02-09 12:27 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-09 23:50 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-02-10 08:58 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-02-10 18:40 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-02-10 09:57 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-02-10 11:04 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-02-10 11:14 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-02-10 12:19 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> - 2026-02-10 16:59 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-02-10 17:30 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-03-10 22:04 +0100
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-10 23:01 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-02-10 21:15 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-02-02 17:45 +0000
                Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-02 17:47 +0000
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            Re: Ofcom looks at Meta "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-01-25 10:22 +0000
              Re: Ofcom looks at Meta Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-01-25 11:04 +0000
          Re: Ofcom looks at Meta The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 12:13 +0000
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