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Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers

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kl. 15:51:29 UTC+1 tirsdag 13. november 2012 skrev Ivan Shmakov følgende:
> >>>>> Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingo@home.no> writes: >>>>> On 11/12/2012 05:35, Ivan Shmakov wrote: >> Well, I understand this "economies of scale" thing, etc., but >> doesn't it seem somewhat unfortunate that for something around $150 >> one could buy a 64-bit, dual-core PC, capable of running >> /a few dozens/ of Z80 simulators at the same time?.. > Well, some of us (for various reasons) want "the real deal", which an > emulator can't give. The question is: how "real" has this "real" to be to be "the deal"? For instance, even if a Z80-compatible CPU is used (so that the board could run the original software), is FDC a must? Or are through-hole components? My understanding is that switching to SD and SMD would result in considerable savings to the design. (The costs of designing a new board put aside.) > If you want to hack on the ROM parts, or if you want to add hardware > expansion for example, that isn't so easy with an emulator. Depends on what exactly one wants to achieve, and how good the emulator used is. > Related quote: http://www.quotesea.com/quotes/with/virtual-memory Inapplicable. His point was that you don't try to "fake" a bigger system on a smaller one; you just get the bigger one instead. My argument was, like, the other way around. Seriously speaking, I don't think Seymour Cray, who spent his entire life pushing the limits in a neverending quest for more and more processing power, would spend a bit of his time on a 16-year old board. Not that I can't understand why there's an interest in doing so, but it's not quite the experience one can enlight the others with... -- FSF associate member #7257 np. gptennis.mod

Or maybe someone just enjoys soldering their own computer and the feeling when it's booted for the first time (if it boots...)? That is kind of challenging to achieve for most people with a dual-core 64bit system... "How real" is an interesting question, but it does not affect the fun of making the kit work.


As for good old Seymour you are probably right, but unfortunately I have never had the IQ, interests or ambitions to aim at living the way he did :-)

Regards,
Erik

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  Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-11-12 11:35 +0700
    Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingo@home.no> - 2012-11-12 17:59 +0100
      Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-11-13 21:51 +0700
        Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Erik Holter <erikbholter@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-13 07:26 -0800
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        Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2012-11-13 09:33 -0600
          Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-11-13 23:13 +0700
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    Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-11-13 09:22 +0700
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