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Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers

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>>>>> Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingo@home.no> writes:
>>>>> On 11/12/2012 05:35, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

 >> Well, I understand this "economies of scale" thing, etc., but
 >> doesn't it seem somewhat unfortunate that for something around $150
 >> one could buy a 64-bit, dual-core PC, capable of running
 >> /a few dozens/ of Z80 simulators at the same time?..

 > Well, some of us (for various reasons) want "the real deal", which an
 > emulator can't give.

	The question is: how "real" has this "real" to be to be "the
	deal"?

	For instance, even if a Z80-compatible CPU is used (so that the
	board could run the original software), is FDC a must?  Or are
	through-hole components?  My understanding is that switching to
	SD and SMD would result in considerable savings to the design.
	(The costs of designing a new board put aside.)

 > If you want to hack on the ROM parts, or if you want to add hardware
 > expansion for example, that isn't so easy with an emulator.

	Depends on what exactly one wants to achieve, and how good the
	emulator used is.

 > Related quote: http://www.quotesea.com/quotes/with/virtual-memory

	Inapplicable.  His point was that you don't try to "fake" a
	bigger system on a smaller one; you just get the bigger one
	instead.  My argument was, like, the other way around.

	Seriously speaking, I don't think Seymour Cray, who spent his
	entire life pushing the limits in a neverending quest for more
	and more processing power, would spend a bit of his time on a
	16-year old board.  Not that I can't understand why there's an
	interest in doing so, but it's not quite the experience one can
	enlight the others with...

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Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Erik Holter <erikbholter@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-10 03:21 -0800
  Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-11-12 11:35 +0700
    Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingo@home.no> - 2012-11-12 17:59 +0100
      Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-11-13 21:51 +0700
        Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Erik Holter <erikbholter@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-13 07:26 -0800
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            Re: CPU's and boards for hobbyists? Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-11-15 12:56 +0000
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            Re: CPU's and boards for hobbyists? Ole Christensen <ole2@oboj.net> - 2012-11-15 23:21 +0100
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            Re: CPU's and boards for hobbyists? Wilf <wilfredk@live.com> - 2012-11-22 16:51 +1100
              Re: CPU's and boards for hobbyists? Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-11-22 23:59 +0700
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        Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2012-11-13 09:33 -0600
          Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-11-13 23:13 +0700
            Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2012-11-13 17:08 -0600
              Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2012-11-14 01:44 +0000
    Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-11-12 18:09 +0000
  Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingo@home.no> - 2012-11-12 20:38 +0100
    Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-11-13 09:22 +0700
      Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers Erik Holter <erikbholter@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-13 02:28 -0800
        Re: Kickstarter project for new P112 kits need more backers billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2012-11-13 12:54 +0000
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