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Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
> On 1/18/2025 2:36 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 16:36:57 +0000, bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor)
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Putin is very wise.
> >
> > <laughs and points>
> >
> >> If any NATO state attacks Russia he will use nukes.
> >
> > No, he won't.  China and India have both told him not to and he knows full well
> > if he does, Russia will be a greasy, ashy stain on Asia.
> >
> > Russia's conventional weapons suck.
> > Russia's military doctrines suck.
> > Are we to expect Russia's nuclear weapons to be in any better shape?
> >
> >> He has made this clear. He knows that because Russia will use mukes they
> >> will not dare to attack.
> >
> > He knows that's not the reason the west won't attack.  The west has learned that
> > being attacked is the path to victory.  NATO will not strike first.
> >
> >> He did not want NATO to put nukes in Ukraine
> >> and the way to do that was to invade Ukraine.
> >
> > He would have been better off dealing with the nukes.  His economy is destroyed,
> > his military equipment decimated and proven inferior to decades old western
> > military tech, his military doctrines utterly discredited.
> >
> >> No nukes from Ukraine
> >> towards Russia, so Russia is safe from that direction.
> >
> > Russia was safe from Ukrainian nukes in any case.  After all, Ukraine gave all
> > it's nukes to Russia in exchange for Russian guarantees of Ukrainian security
> >
> > Ooops!  Caught Russians lying again.
> >
> >> Not to invade
> >> would have been incompetent and unpatriotic.
> >
> > And smart.  No weapon strengthens a nation more than a strong economy.  Putin
> > screwed the pooch when he decided to make Russia dependent on oil revenues
> > instead of diversifying a broader and deeper economy.
> >
> >> Ukraine's military was very powerful.
> >
> > More powerful than Russia's, apparently.
> >
> >> The West wanted them to drive out
> >> Russians from Ukraine. So they were very well armed indeed and for years
> >> had been fighting the Russians in Ukraine, depriving them of their
> >> rights, etc. Of course without Western help Ukraine would have
> >> collapsed.
> >
> > All of which is a pack of lies.  Putin financed rebels and sent in Russian
> > troops in unmarked uniforms, the 'little green men'.
> >
> >> Putin does not see Finland and Sweden as threats.
> >
> > LOL!  So you admit NATO is no threat to Russia?
> >
> >> No interest there.
> >> Poland yes has historically been an enemy but it was already hostile as
> >> part of Nato.
> >
> > Poland has been an enemy because it has been conquered by Russia twice.
> >
> > <snip>
> >>> Considering Ukraine's GDP *before* the Russian invasion was less than
> >>> $200B, your lie becomes quickly evident.
> >>
> >> Land value from conquest, some 15 percent of the largest country in pure
> >> Europe, is what the 12 t is about, nothing to do with GDP of Ukraine.
> >> Putin has got the size of the whole of England and more.
> >
> > 'Wise' Putin has destroyed virtually all of it by leveling city after city.  Any
> > real estate he might end up with will do him no good without spending trillions
> > rebuilding - trillions Russia doesn't have.
> >
> >> Your stupidity may be ignored for you are but an Einsteinian cretin.
> >> Still, we try to put light within dark skills, futile as that effort may
> >> be.
> >
> > Getting desperate, are you?
> >
> >>>> Not bad.
> >>>
> >>> Considering what he stole is so heavily damaged it can't produce squat
> >>> anymore,
> >>> I'd say that far from being a master strategist, Putin is an ill advised
> >>> idiot.
> >>
> >> Unlike Biden and Johnson and other EU leaders he has got what he wanted.
> >
> > BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
> >
> >> He has stopped the Ukraine army from shelling Russians.
> >
> > Liar.  Two Russian refineries and three air force fuel dumps went up in smoke
> > just last week.
> >
> >> Liberated Crimea.
> >
> > BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!  Ukraine may get to liberate Crimea following
> > Putin's conquest of an unwilling populace.
> >
> >> Stopped Ukraine from joining Nato.
> >
> > Delayed, possibly, but it will happen.
> >
> >> Expanded Russia.
> >
> > Turned it into a vassal state of China, you mean.
> >
> >> Made the
> >> Western analysts look like absurd fools for their predictions. Has solid
> >> support from his own people and China too. Retains support from
> >> thirdworld. And now his buddy Trump will be potus and stop supporting
> >> Zelensky.
> >
> > BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!  That's funny!  Tell us another one!
> >
> >> Btw they have already repaired many cities they took.
> >
> > Liar.  They don't have the manpower to do the construction work.  Leveled cities
> > don't get 'repaired' by magic.
> >
> >> Hard working lots, the Russians.
> >
> > Lazy drunks, you mean.
> >
> >> Fixed up the ruins of WW2, this is nothing by contrast.
> >
> > Oh, yes!  Preach to us the joys of Stalinism!
> >
> >>>> Made fools
> >>>> out of the West, fooled their grabby desires. Now failing there, idea
> >>>> for the US is to grab Greenland etc. and should have better luck there.
> >>>
> >>> Now you're stopped making any sense at all.  Russia has been made a fool
> >>> of. Its
> >>> military is crap, its Navy a laughing stock and its economy collapsing.
> >>
> >> Wrong on all counts. You Einsteinian cretins are a bad joke. You are
> >> habitually programmed to swallow lies from your masters via propaganda
> >> media.
> >
> > In the west, the media is controlled by private organizations who compete and
> > operate as checks against each other.  This tends to engender mostly facts in
> > media.  By contrast, in Russia, all media outlets are controlled directly by the
> > state and spout only the state line.
> >
> >> True that the Navy has got hits by new technology rockets but the
> >> rest is bullshit.
> >
> > Bullshit is certainly one word to describe the Russian Navy.  Kuznetsov,
> > scheduled to be re launched in 2020, is still stuck in drydock with bad engines.
> > The Mediterranean fleet is idling off the coast of Syria out of artillery range
> > so the Syrians won't fire at them.  Their ships are running out of fuel and
> > supplies.  Turkey won't let them go home through the Bosporus and they don't
> > have enough supplies to sail to Murmansk.  The relief ships *from* Murmansk
> > still haven't sailed.  Soon the fleet will be powerless, starving and adrift in
> > the sea.
> >
> >> Russia has made fools out of Nato bullies and EU
> >> ninnies. Russian economy has managed not to collapsed and moved on.
> >> Russian military has won 15% of Ukraine.
> >
> > It was 20% but Ukraine has taken a good bit of it back.
> >
> >> They use far more firepower
> >> than Ukraine which means that they are losing far less soldiers.
> >
> > More lies.  Russia is losing three to four soldiers for every one Ukraine loses.
> > This, btw, is why Putin is importing tens of thousands of North Koreans in his
> > futile attempt to take Kursk back.  I guess you know that a recent UA
> > counteroffensive has taken even more territory in Kursk.
> >
> >>>>> Putin has turned Russia into a vassal state of China and eliminated any
> >>>>> chance
> >>>>> of future greatness for his nation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Nonsense. Putin is on good terms with China and India and thirdworld,
> >>>> Great politician, outsmarted you fools.
> >>>
> >>> That must be why India has stopped buying Russian weapons.  China,
> >>> ditto.
> >>
> >> India is making a fortune buying Russian oil cheap and selling it,
> >> thanks to US sanctions on Russia. Indians never had it so good, cheap
> >> petrol, huge profits, great distribution to the poor by handouts, very
> >> fat salaries for all elites... India always busy weapons from Russia.
> >> China is giving them sanctioned stuff.
> >
> > India has stopped buying weapons from Russia.  They're buying from the US,
> > France and China now.
> >
> >
> >>> They buy just enough to copy them so they don't have to buy anymore.
> >>>   Both are getting Russian energy dirt cheap because Putin
> >>> can't sell it to anybody else.
> >>
> >> India's main strike aircraft is Russian Su30mki. Lots of them.
> >
> > Drink the koolaid!
> >
> >> China and Russia have terrific trade.
> >
> > China gets cheap oil and Russia gets whatever drivel the Chinese are willing to
> > risk sending them.
> >
> >> Then rocket launchers, tanks, guns, radars, helicopters, transport
> >> aircraft, submarines,
> >
> > BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
> >
> > Too funny!  Russia has plenty of submarines.  They're all stationed at the
> > bottom of the Black Sea!
> >
> >>> Even that's going away as his shadow tanker fleet sinks, spoiling
> >>> beaches, and
> >>> get confiscated for incompetence on the sea.
> >>
> >> No problem for India so far. The war has been a real bonanza for India.
> >> Huge tankers coming from all sides.
> >
> > Absolutely.  The west ensured that India would still get the energy it needs and
> > New Delhi is thankful for that consideration.
> >
> > Meanwhile, Russia' shadow fleet of tankers is finding itself banned from more
> > and more ports.  They're being seized by other nations for violations.
> >
> >>>>>> The West's strategy is to let the Orthodox
> >>>>>> chaps die and make Russia weak; that by using obsolete scrap weaponry
> >>>>>> for Ukraine continuing the war, while making money for the elites with
> >>>>>> orders for new weapons.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The west doesn't even think about religion.
> >>>>
> >>>> What a lie. Maga chaps are very religious.
> >>>
> >>> LOL!  MAGA isn't running the "west", you moron.
> >>
> >> Cretin, they elected Trump to power and if US is not part of the West
> >> that is news indeed.
> >
> > The US isn't the West.  This is a fundamental misunderstanding that drives your
> > misperceptions and therefore failures.
> >
> > "The West" is composed of the WW II participants who have allied against Russia
> > joined by dozens of other nations.  Japan, SK, Australia and even the
> > Philippines, are hardly in the western hemisphere but are undoubtedly part of
> > "the West".
> >
> >> Anyway the West has lost miserably in Ukraine and the sooner it accepts
> >> that the better for all.
> >
> > Whatever helps you sleep at night.
> >
> >> To get and keep 15% of Ukraine depending upon foreign help and dud
> >> shells is something only a brainwashed Einsteinian cretin can envisage.
> >
> > Yet it's an incontrovertible fact.
> >
> >>> How about those heroic (/s) North Korean troops he had to buy because he
> >>> can't
> >>> get Russians to sign up anymore?
> >>
> >> If he declares war he can conscript as many millions ss he likes. Till
> >> then, he is using mercenaries.
> >
> > And if he declares war on "The West", those millions won't do him any good.
> >
> >>> His best friend, Iran, is still using American F-14 Tomcats and Chinook
> >>> helicopters built in the 1960s from 1950s designs!
> >>
> >> They are using more potent and relevant defensive technologies to
> >> prevent invasions.
> >
> > like spitballs and rubber bands?
> 
> Just wondering, has Russia used a lot of it's thermobaric weapons yet,
> just to piss people off?
> 
> >
> > So, who's trying to invade Iran?
> >
> > NP:  Tina Turner - We Don't Need Another Hero (Live in Arnhem)
> 
> Israel claims to have damaged some of Iran's anti-air capabilities?


Answer: Because the air is free.


What's the question?

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
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