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In article <5252e11dc2dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
<dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > Where does this leave democracy?

> All my life, well until recently, I've been in favour of
> proportional representation as an electoral system,
> however, just before the referendum a while back, we saw
> a version of PR in action with the election of the new
> Labour party leader, whereby the lowest common
> denominator won.

[Snip]

> Thereafter we had the referendum about the sh one tee
> crippled and useless system proposed by the politicians.

> For both myself and Fay (Both as already noted lifelong
> advocated of PR) it was deluge of cold water, and it
> caused us to re-assess.

I could write huge amounts on this, but will not as it is
really too OT, but...

The AV referendum was a farce. Perhaps we need a body to
which all campaign statements have to be passed in advance
for checking as to whether they are actually true. I could
nominate half-a-dozen people from this group who would do
the job admirably.
:-)

A good arguement for proper PR (see below) comes from my own
experience. From 1980 to 1999 I lived in a marginal
constituency with (IMO) an absolutely apalling person as MP.
I was always forced to vote (and canvass) for the person I
(and the papers) thought most likely to get rid of him, but
only in 1997 did we succeed.

Now I live in a pretty safe constituency, so I can vote for
who I would like to see elected, albeit in the pretty
certain knowledge that they will not be.

I have been amused by the recent comments from certain tory
anti-Europe-nutters about why cannot we become just like
Switzerland.

They clearly have not looked at the Swiss political system
at Federal level:

1. The Swiss Federal government has nothing like the power
of the Westminster parliament as most things of every day
importance are decided at cantonal or community level.
Income Tax, for example, is constitutionally forbidden to
the federal government.

2. The Swiss House of Commons equivalent is elected by
proportional representation, using an *open* list system.
This means that while you vote for a party, you also
specifically vote for individuals. If there is someone in
your pary that you cannot stand, you can cross them off the
list. If there is someone that you think would be really
good, then you cn vote for them twice. You can also add
people from a different party to your list if you want.

3. By convention, all governments are always coalitions of
the three or four largest parties, so you always have two
social democrats as well as one or two liberals, one or two
christian democrats etc.

I now promise to keep quiet on this.

-- 
Russell
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  Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Martin Hansen <mhh@shrewsbury.org.uk> - 2012-01-12 01:11 -0800
    Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-12 15:26 +0000
    Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-01-12 16:03 +0000
      Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Mark Beerling <invalid@online.de> - 2012-01-12 17:57 +0100
        Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-01-14 17:37 +0000
          Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-14 21:02 +0000
            Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-15 02:51 +0100
              Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-15 02:44 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-15 15:45 +0100
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-15 17:48 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-16 06:24 +0100
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-16 08:43 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-16 19:48 +0100
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-16 19:52 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-16 20:37 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-17 07:38 +0100
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-01-17 08:33 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-17 10:20 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-17 11:47 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-01-17 20:11 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-01-17 21:17 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-17 23:10 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-17 10:23 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-01-17 11:32 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-17 11:52 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-01-17 12:18 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-17 22:54 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-01-18 10:16 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-01-18 14:42 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-01-17 12:31 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-17 23:04 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-01-18 09:28 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-18 12:41 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-01-18 15:50 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-18 21:10 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-18 23:54 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-21 18:05 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-01-21 18:55 +0000
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-01-21 20:22 +0000
  Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-01-14 17:42 +0000

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