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Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done?

From John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.edu, comp.ai.philosophy, alt.books, alt.politics.media, rec.arts.books, misc.writing
Subject Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done?
Date 2026-05-18 12:05 -0700
Organization A place where nothing fits quite right
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On Mon, 18 May 2026 14:54:41 -0400
Jonathan Lamothe <jonathan@jlamothe.net> wrote:

> > That's because when you say "a program that does auto-complete
> > using a large context window as an index to a *very* large
> > reference dataset, but it plays dice according to the statistical
> > likelihood of a given word-chain in the reference data" it starts
> > to sound kinda silly and unreliable.  
> 
> I'd say that's more the definition of an LLM.  The term "AI" *vastly*
> predates LLMs.

Certainly true - but in terms of what people today are using it to
*refer* to, it's pretty much *entirely* LLMs until you get down into
the bunkers where all the genuine ML nerds from the Before Time are
holing up 'til the bubble implodes and they work out a convenient way
to explain to normies that "no, we're *not* the greasy used-car sales-
men who crashed the stock market while promising to take your jobs and
drowning the Internet in a deluge of misinformation, we're the people
whose identity they appropriated for credibility's sake, now please put
down the torches and pitchforks...?"

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Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? Lawfare Review <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2026-05-12 02:45 +0100
  Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-05-12 05:58 +0200
  Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-05-12 06:34 +0200
    Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 06:44 -0600
    Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? Jonathan Lamothe <jonathan@jlamothe.net> - 2026-05-18 10:46 -0400
      Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 08:04 -0700
        Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? Jonathan Lamothe <jonathan@jlamothe.net> - 2026-05-18 14:54 -0400
          Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 12:05 -0700
          Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-05-19 02:33 +0200
            Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? Jonathan Lamothe <jonathan@jlamothe.net> - 2026-05-19 12:11 -0400
              Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-05-20 05:23 +0200
      Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 12:09 -0400
      Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-05-19 02:31 +0200
        Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 18:37 -0600
          Re: Hallucinated citations are polluting the scientific literature. What can be done? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-05-20 06:06 +0200

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