Re: KDE Goes Wayland

From	John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: KDE Goes Wayland
Date	2025-12-15 10:22 -0800
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 03:08:12 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> > If a project is as open and direct about aiming to supplant and
> > replace another project as Wayland has been, expecting it to offer
> > feature parity with the thing it's replacing (and a relatively
> > seamless switch in terms of user experience) is entirely
> > reasonable.  
> 
> Not really. X11 is full of legacy baggage (e.g. graphics API) which
> needs to be dumped.

That may well be so, but if they make bad judgement calls about what is
or isn't needless cruft, they will learn that the hard way - as they've
recently done with things like application-directed window positioning,
which after years of insisting that You Don't Need That they're finally
having to admit that some people *do* need, because enough people told
them to jump in a lake that they had to worry about losing their bid
for adoption.

But if they'd been less blinkered and dogmatic from the get-go, they
might've realized that there are actually some very obvious and common
use cases for that, and not caused a protracted argument and hacked off
a bunch of potential users for no reason.

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Re: KDE Goes Wayland c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 23:30 -0500
  Re: KDE Goes Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-06 08:55 +0000
    Re: KDE Goes Wayland c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 04:20 -0500
      Re: KDE Goes Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:30 +0000
        Re: KDE Goes Wayland Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 01:48 +0000
          Re: KDE Goes Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 02:00 +0000
      Re: KDE Goes Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-06 19:58 +0000
      Re: KDE Goes Wayland "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:36 +0100
        Re: KDE Goes Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:09 +0000
    Re: KDE Goes Wayland Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> - 2025-12-06 09:38 +0000
    Re: KDE Goes Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:27 +0000
      Re: KDE Goes Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-06 20:23 +0000
        Re: KDE Goes Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:35 +0000
          Re: KDE Goes Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:04 +0000
      Re: KDE Goes Wayland Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:38 +0000
        Re: KDE Goes Wayland Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-13 10:56 +0000
          Re: KDE Goes Wayland John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 09:39 -0800
            Re: KDE Goes Wayland vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-15 18:12 +0000
  Re: KDE Goes Wayland Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-06 15:44 +0000
    Re: KDE Goes Wayland Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-12 20:47 +0000
      Re: KDE Goes Wayland Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-12 21:24 +0000
      Re: KDE Goes Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 11:08 +0000
        Re: KDE Goes Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-15 08:57 -0500
          Re: KDE Goes Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 07:04 +0000
            Re: KDE Goes Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-19 09:00 -0500
              Re: KDE Goes Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-12-21 07:33 +0000
  Re: KDE Goes Wayland kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-07 12:44 -0600
    Re: KDE Goes Wayland c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 22:08 -0500
      Re: KDE Goes Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:51 +0000
      Re: KDE Goes Wayland candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000
        Re: KDE Goes Wayland Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2025-12-08 19:12 +0000
          Re: KDE Goes Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:25 +0000
          Re: KDE Goes Wayland Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 03:07 +0000
            Re: KDE Goes Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 03:52 +0000
              Re: KDE Goes Wayland Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2025-12-15 09:01 +0000
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 22:52 +0000
        Re: KDE Goes Wayland Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-08 20:00 +0000
        Re: KDE Goes Wayland not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-09 07:30 +1000
        Re: KDE Goes Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 09:59 +0000
          Re: KDE Goes Wayland Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-12-09 11:24 +0000
            Re: KDE Goes Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:17 +0000
              Re: KDE Goes Wayland John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-09 08:15 -0800
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 03:08 +0000
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 04:03 +0000
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 10:22 -0800
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 22:53 +0000
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 16:09 -0500
              Re: KDE Goes Wayland Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-09 19:47 +0000
            Re: KDE Goes Wayland c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:40 -0500
              Re: KDE Goes Wayland chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:58 -0600
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-12 16:38 -0600
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:16 -0600
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-16 03:41 +0000
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-12-16 11:50 +0000
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 12:12 +0000
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-16 09:57 -0500
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-17 04:42 +0000
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-17 09:31 -0500
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 19:34 +0000
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 14:49 +0100
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-18 14:27 +0000
                Re: KDE Goes Wayland "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 21:46 +0100
    Re: KDE Goes Wayland Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 03:09 +0000
      Re: KDE Goes Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 03:50 +0000
      Re: KDE Goes Wayland kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-15 16:39 -0600
        Re: KDE Goes Wayland Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-15 23:20 +0000

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