Re: Baby X is bor nagain

From	Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
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Subject	Re: Baby X is bor nagain
Date	2024-06-24 16:09 +0300
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 22:47:46 +0100
bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

> On 21/06/2024 14:34, David Brown wrote:
> > On 21/06/2024 12:42, bart wrote:  
> >> On 21/06/2024 10:46, David Brown wrote:  
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I understand your viewpoint and motivation.  But my own
> >>> experience is mostly different.
> >>>
> >>> First, to get it out of the way, there's the speed of
> >>> compilation. While heavy optimisation (-O3) can take noticeably
> >>> longer, I never see -O0 as being in any noticeable way faster for
> >>> compilation than -O1 or even -O2.  
> >>
> >> Absolute time or relative?  
> > 
> > Both.
> >   
> >> For me, optimised options with gcc always take longer:  
> > 
> > Of course.  But I said it was not noticeable - it does not make
> > enough difference in speed for it to be worth choosing.
> >   
> >>  
> >>   C:\c>tm gcc bignum.c -shared -s -obignum.dll        # from cold  
> >>   TM: 3.85  
> > 
> > Cold build times are irrelevant to development - when you are
> > working on a project, all the source files and all your compiler
> > files are in the PC's cache.
> > 
> >   
> >>  
> >>   C:\c>tm gcc bignum.c -shared -s -obignum.dll  
> >>   TM: 0.31
> >>  
> >>   C:\c>tm gcc bignum.c -shared -s -obignum.dll -O2  
> >>   TM: 0.83
> >>  
> >>   C:\c>tm gcc bignum.c -shared -s -obignum.dll -O3  
> >>   TM: 0.93
> >>  
> >>   C:\c>dir bignum.dll  
> >>   21/06/2024  11:14            35,840 bignum.dll  
> > 
> > Any build time under a second is as good as instant.
> > 
> > I tested on a real project, not a single file.  It has 158 C files
> > and about 220 header files.  And I ran it on my old PC, without any
> > "tricks" that you dislike so much, doing full clean re-builds.  The
> > files are actually all compiled twice, building two variants of the
> > binary.
> > 
> > With -O2, it took 34.3 seconds to build.  With -O1, it took 33.4 
> > seconds.  With -O0, it took 30.8 seconds.
> > 
> > So that is a 15% difference for full builds.  In practice, of
> > course, full rebuilds are rarely needed, and most builds after
> > changes to the source are within a second or so.  
> 
> Then there's something very peculiar about your codebase.
> 


To me it looks more likely that your codebase is very unusual rather
than David's

In order to get meaningful measurements I took embedded project that
is significantly bigger than average by my standards. Here are times of
full parallel rebuild (make -j5) on relatively old computer (4-core Xeon
E3-1271 v3).

Option time(s) -g time text size
-O0    13.1      13.3   631648
-Os    13.6      14.1   424016
-O1    13.5      13.7   455728
-O2    14.0      14.1   450056
-O3    14.0      14.6   525380

The difference in time between different -O settings in my measurements
is even smaller than reported by David Brown. That can be attributed to
older compiler (gcc 4.1.2). Another difference is that this compiler
works under cygwin, which is significantly slower both than native
Linux and than native Windows. That causes relatively higher make
overhead and longer link.
If I had were "native" tools then all times will be likely shorter by
few seconds and the difference between -O0 and -O3 will be close to 10%.

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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 11:23 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-30 00:36 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-07-03 17:12 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-30 01:49 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-06-29 18:46 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-29 20:55 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-30 12:18 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 17:54 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-30 19:10 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-07-01 00:20 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-07-08 19:48 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-29 16:23 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-29 10:47 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-29 12:11 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 11:05 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-30 11:48 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 17:47 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-01 12:22 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-01 13:09 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-01 15:14 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 14:20 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-02 16:00 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-02 16:44 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-03 00:58 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-03 01:23 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-07-03 00:47 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-07-03 01:18 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-03 01:54 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-07-03 09:08 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-03 10:36 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-07-03 09:41 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-03 17:58 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-03 21:33 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-07-04 09:14 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-03 22:58 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-07-04 10:24 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-07-04 10:18 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 11:23 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 13:13 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-28 06:56 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-28 11:20 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 13:52 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-29 11:05 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-29 09:15 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-29 19:11 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-06-29 18:51 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-29 21:56 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 11:17 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 11:05 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-28 06:57 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-27 13:23 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-27 15:44 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-27 17:50 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 00:16 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-27 23:58 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-27 18:21 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 11:15 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 13:53 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-27 18:08 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-28 03:30 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-28 11:11 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 11:41 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 13:48 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 15:36 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 15:48 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 20:37 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 15:42 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 16:01 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-28 19:45 +0300
                tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-01 20:09 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-07-01 12:14 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 14:48 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 15:09 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 11:54 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-02 12:22 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 16:27 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-02 15:18 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 17:55 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-03 13:57 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-07-02 06:50 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-07-02 06:47 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-07-02 11:50 -0400
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 10:35 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-07-02 14:33 +0000
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-02 15:43 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 18:17 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-02 16:32 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 18:45 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-02 17:12 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-03 00:42 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-04 00:04 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-03 21:07 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-27 23:24 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-06-28 00:44 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-24 20:41 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-28 19:39 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-26 11:31 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-26 16:43 +0200
          Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-17 22:01 +0100
            Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 09:01 +0200
          Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-17 19:52 -0400
            Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 11:26 +0200
      Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-17 20:24 +0100
        Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 14:40 +0200
          Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-18 14:55 +0100
        Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-18 09:39 -0400
          Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-18 14:58 +0100
            Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-18 14:33 +0000
            Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-18 13:02 -0400
              Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-18 19:06 +0100
            Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-18 11:07 -0700
      Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-18 19:22 +0100
        Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-18 16:34 -0700
        Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-19 10:05 +0200
          Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-19 11:52 +0100
            Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-19 19:53 +0200
      Re: Baby X is bor nagain Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-20 21:31 +0100
        Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-21 12:46 +0200
          Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-21 14:25 +0100
            Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-21 15:51 +0200
              Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-21 19:43 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-23 14:56 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-23 15:22 +0000
              Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-21 22:05 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-23 15:11 +0200
  Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 14:09 +0100
    Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-17 18:38 +0200
      Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-18 03:28 -0400

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