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Re: COBOL and tricks

From	Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: COBOL and tricks
Date	2022-07-20 06:48 +0100
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 00:27:35 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> Mind you, at the height of the Structured Programming craze, there were
> fanatics who would write programs whose control jumped all over the
> place - into and out of a ridiculous number of subroutines whose length
> varied from 1 to 10 lines.  There wasn't a single GOTO, but remember
> that a subroutine call is just a GOTO paired with a "come from".
> It's still spaghetti code, just with double strands.

	This approach has reached it's zenith in some "Enterprise Java"
houses where it isn't tiny subroutines but classes that proliferate madly.

	Firstly everything is an Enterprise Java Bean - which means that it
is an object with set and get functions for all member variables (that
*must* be used) and some conventional methods. Secondly everything has to
follow a "design pattern" and wear this on it's sleeve in the form of
paragraph long class names. For anything like a data type there will be
data access, transfer and model objects (at least) and there will be 
interface classes, facade classes and at least one implementation class
for everything. Thirdly all methods must be short, mindlessly simple and
independently testable - complexity *must* live in the object structure not
the method code. Finally logging, tracking, performance measuring, etc
hooks are routinely levered into the code using aspect weaving.

	Most programmers use IDEs that are basically code generators with
GUIs so they never have to think about all the boilerplate.

	Debugging can be frustrating.

	Oh yes testing - automated unit testing is required usually with
very high line and branch coverage. Sounds great right ? But the simplicity
of the routines and the requirement that tests be true unit tests with every
external dependency mocked means that the tests are usually tightly coupled
to the code and have to be changed for every code change which rather
defeats the point.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-20 19:30 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 23:09 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-21 06:00 +0100
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                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-02 09:42 +0100
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                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:51 +0000
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                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-01 19:47 +0100
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                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:41 +0100
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                Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-01 17:05 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 11:05 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:05 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 11:12 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:29 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 00:42 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-02 23:47 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 00:51 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:48 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 19:11 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:54 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-27 22:48 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-27 21:37 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-28 13:02 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-28 23:40 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-29 15:54 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 23:47 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-29 17:02 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 12:13 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-28 19:49 +0000
                Re: ancient I/O, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 18:37 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-28 16:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 17:52 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 00:23 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2022-07-29 09:15 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 08:13 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 23:57 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-30 08:13 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-30 15:04 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 21:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 12:55 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-31 19:32 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-31 19:13 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-31 19:17 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-07-31 16:45 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-01 00:38 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 08:09 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 11:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 12:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 17:35 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 18:06 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 19:05 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:35 +0100
                Re: boot me, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 21:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-01 18:53 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:37 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-02 09:39 +0100
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-02 17:05 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 01:05 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-03 11:51 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 08:19 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 14:00 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:46 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 08:09 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 00:00 -0400
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 18:55 +0000
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 00:53 -0400
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> - 2022-08-04 07:52 -0700
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-04 17:00 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-29 16:41 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 01:03 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-30 08:16 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 19:50 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-30 14:56 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 20:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-31 21:51 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-31 21:26 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 02:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-02 14:30 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-08-02 15:09 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 01:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-03 13:41 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 01:31 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-04 06:27 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-04 08:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-04 18:05 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 01:03 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-28 23:43 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 15:23 -0700
                Re: old firms, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 22:58 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 01:04 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 00:32 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 00:46 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-04 10:34 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 11:07 -0400
          Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-20 11:42 +0100
            Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-20 10:04 -0700
            Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 17:16 +0000
              Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-25 00:23 -0400
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-25 05:45 +0000
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 02:46 -0400
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
      Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-07-20 18:43 -0400
        Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-21 06:01 +0100
          Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-21 17:42 +0000
            Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-21 19:52 +0100
    Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-07-20 18:41 -0400
      Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 23:19 -0400

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