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| From | "Vincent Coen" <VBCoen@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | uk.comp.os.linux |
| Subject | Re: Here we go again |
| Date | 2025-09-09 22:02 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <1757451772@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.ftn> (permalink) |
| References | <1096fcr$dp58$1@dont-email.me> <1098se7$10teb$1@dont-email.me> <1099o24$17t27$1@dont-email.me> <109pmku$145pu$1@dont-email.me> |
Hello All! 09 Sep 25 18:03, Davey wrote to all: > <109on27$rnou$1@dont-email.me> <1757416788@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.ftn> > "Vincent Coen" <VBCoen@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello Davey! >> >> 09 Sep 25 09:04, Davey wrote to all: >> >> > <109mcdb$74et$1@dont-email.me> >> <1757344306@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.ftn> >> > "Vincent Coen" <VBCoen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hello Davey! >> >> >> >> 08 Sep 25 11:50, Davey wrote to all: >> >> >> >> > <lRh*hRHlA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> >> >> > <1099rhn$18ptm$1@dont-email.me> >> >> > <lRh*94HlA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> >> >> > <109bq2b$1lg6g$2@dont-email.me> >> >> <109ces1$1sb4s$1@dont-email.me> >> >> > Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On 04/09/2025 11:35, Davey wrote: >> >> >> > I am not familiar with all this, but I have identified the >> >> >> > following: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> https://cpc.farnell.com/kingston/snv3s-2000g/ssd-nv3-m-2-2280-pcie4- >> >> >> >> >> 0- >> >> >> > nvme/dp/CS37703?st=pcie%20to%20pci for the new SSD. >> >> >> > Then a choice: >> >> >> > For the SATA-USB adapter, possibly, at £9.78: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> https://cpc.farnell.com/startech/usb3s2sat3cb/lead-sata-to-usb-with- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > uasp/dp/CS34473?st=ssd%20to%20usb%20adapters >> >> >> > or at £28.48: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> https://cpc.farnell.com/startech/usb312sat3/adapter-usb3-1-10gb-s-sa >> >> >> >> >> ta- >> >> >> > ssd/dp/CS30219?st=ssd%20to%20usb%20adapters >> >> >> > I do not see why there is such a price difference, unless >> >> >> > one gets what one pays for. >> >> >> >> >> >> It's probably that the more expensive adaptor works with >> 3.5" >> >> >> drives, and they have different power requirements. The page >> >> >> you linked to does say that a power adaptor is included. >> >> >> 2.5" >> >> drives >> >> >> (whether SSD or spinning rust) need only 5V. >> >> >> > Looking for an M2-USB adapter, I found, for £42.38: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> https://cpc.farnell.com/startech/m2-usb-c-nvme-sata/enclosure-usb-c- >> >> >> >> >> to-m-2-nvme-sata/dp/CS35447?st=m2%20to%20usb%20adapters >> >> >> > which looks as though it would do both jobs (not at the >> same >> >> >> > time, of course). >> >> >> >> >> >> Both jobs? It'll house your M.2 NVMe drive (and would work >> >> >> with >> >> an >> >> >> M.2 SATA drive) but won't work with a 2.5" SATA drive. >> >> >> Different interface. >> >> >> >> >> >> Nice that it comes with both USB-A and USB-C cables ... but >> >> >> I'm guessing you only need the former? >> >> >> >> >> >> It looks a little expensive, too. Have a look at: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.scan.co.uk/products/sabrent-ec-snve-usb32-type-c-enclosu >> >> >> >> >> >> re-m2-pcie-nvme-sata-ssd-tool-free-10gbps-speeds-plug-and-play-a >> >> >> or for that matter: >> >> >> https://business.currys.co.uk/catalogue/computing/P219238P >> >> >> which >> >> >> is perhaps an older version of the one you found? >> >> >> >> > OK, this is where I am. I am rapidly thinking that the >> easiest >> >> > solution will be to remove the m2 SSD, which I believe still >> >> > has the video files on it. Even if they are lost, they are >> >> > mostly stored elsewhere. Then I would re-install the OS as a >> >> > clean install onto the original SATA 1TB SSD, knowing that I >> >> > would lose anything on there. Maybe not. The only major loss >> >> > would be the Local Folders saved since the last Backup. Since >> >> > my e-mail is via gmail. all messages are still available the >> >> > server, and so the missing Local Folders could be restored, >> >> > with some work. I have always backed up any altered documents >> >> > every night. >> >> >> >> > Parts of my reasoning are that: >> >> >> >> > 1. The manufacturer does not offer now a direct 1TB or 2TB >> SATA >> >> > SSD. Buying one from a different source would just add >> another >> >> > possible layer of confusion, as if there were not enough >> >> > already. It offers those sizes in HDD, but that would >> >> > compromise speed. >> >> For >> >> > a replacement SSD, it offers either 500GB (£59) or 4TB >> (£324). >> >> > >> >> >> >> > 2. One thought is to buy the 500GB SSD, use that for the new >> >> > install, grab the 'lost' data, save it elsewhere, and finally >> >> > return the 1TB SSD and start again. But would a 500GB drive >> be >> >> > >> >> big >> >> > enough? Or possibly, for this job only, either the 1TB HDD, >> >> (£48), >> >> > or the 2TB HDD (£71). But then they would sit on the shelf. >> >> >> >> >> > 3. The whole process of trying to mount the old SSDs and >> >> > grabbing the data from them is an unknown to me, I have not >> >> > managed to >> >> mount >> >> > such partitions while booted from a Live USB. Essentially, I >> am >> >> > talking about the Devil I know rather than the Devil I don't. >> >> >> >> >> > I can't help feeling that this simpler process would >> >> > ultimately >> >> be >> >> > more successful, and faster than attempting to grab the old >> >> > data. >> >> >> >> > Hmmm. Remember, I am a Stranger in a Strange Land here. >> >> > Thoughts? >> >> I do use both M.2 and sata SSD units and having tried a.m. >> other >> >> brand (Crucial and found it was too painful to use cleaning >> using >> >> fstrim because of a very poor controller) I switched to a >> Samsung >> >> 990 PRO M.2 unit of 1TB although I wished I had purchased a >> larger >> >> one say 2 - 4 TB. I still run fstrim one per day I am keeping >> an >> >> eye on its o.p to see if I need to change it to 2 times per day >> at >> >> 00:00,12:00 and 40 minutes (my semi-ish quiet time). My system >> is >> >> on 24/7 running bbs, ftp, web servers as well as other services >> >> such as Mysql/mariadb server and a mainframe gateway / >> inteerlink. >> >> On line I still do Cobol development for my O/S ACAS accounting >> >> system with many manual updates heavy in the mix using >> LibreOffice >> >> writer. There are around a dozen of these, many over 100 A4 >> pages. >> >> >> >> This I hope will reduce within the next month or two - there >> >> again I have been saying that kind of thing for some years :( >> >> >> >> Still at 78, I do need something to keep me occupied as flying >> has >> >> gotten way too expensive in the UK at 250 pounds per hour for 60 >> >> year old Pipers and Cessnas singles - twins are out of question >> >> being on a pension :) It is cheaper to rent time in a B737-8 >> sim >> >> than use one of these well over priced a/c's and I do not have >> to >> >> pay extra for an instructor / 2nd pilot. Vincent >> >> > I tried fstrim yesterday on my desktop, which has 2 SSDs, and it >> > tried, but failed to do anything. I'll get back to it later. >> First >> > things first. >> >> > Further thinking (yes, I know!) has made we wonder. >> > Even if I do manage to mount the old partitions on the laptop >> with >> > a new primary SSD, I would not be able to transfer any >> application >> > setups. Only files. The only files that I have not backed up >> > already are the TB Local Folders since the last backup. >> > Since to me this remote mounting is a New World to me, and >> > attempts so far have proved unsuccessful, I am still inclined to: >> > Remove the secondary drive m2 SSD, re-install Ubuntu from scratch >> > onto the old primary, and then re-install the m2. Who knows, some >> > of the old applications might survive this; maybe TB Local >> Folders >> > might. Do I have this correct, or not? >> >> Using Fstrim has to be via sudo e.g., sudo fstrim -av and here I get >> : sudo fstrim -av [sudo] password for mbse: /home: 5.4 GiB >> (5775577088 bytes) trimmed on /dev/nvme0n1p4 /: 950.7 MiB (996900864 >> bytes) trimmed on /dev/nvme0n1p2 Note that every time you reboot or >> restart running fstrim will produce size around the total capacity >> and this is normal but say a few minutes after rerunning it will >> give a more sensible number e.g., >> sudo fstrim -av >> /home: 319.8 MiB (335319040 bytes) trimmed on /dev/nvme0n1p4 >> /: 0 B (0 bytes) trimmed on /dev/nvme0n1p2 >> >> I you try running fstrim before shutting down for a drive swap but >> leave the system running for say 30 minutes before shutting down for >> a swap out and no, it just gives some time for the controller to >> clear out lost clusters etc. >> >> I am assuming here that your laptop has minimal extra drive capacity >> / Sata connections ? so what to do, if you have data files on the >> boot drive then removing the 2nd drive (assuming it is not needed >> when booting) and using new drive in place before copying over all >> such data having partitioning / format the new drive first (as root >> / sudo) AND knowing that you have fdisk or similar to do so. Also >> install rsync as it is quicker than using cp as multi copies are run >> at same time. >> >> Firstly install Linux on new drive as as m.2 slot one with no other >> drive present and install if not already fstrim, rsync & fdisk and >> any other packages you might need. Reboot and run update service >> then shutdown, reinstall old drive as slot two and do the above >> processes, i.e., copying over and folders from slot 2 to boot drive >> / partition as needed. Reboot - to confirm it still works. Remove >> m.2 slot 2, replacing with old 2nd drive and boot up. Now depending >> size of slot 1 and your needs copy over any folders from slot 2 to >> boot drive to any / all partitions you have created when first >> installing ---- Bye the bye, set up the partitions MANUALLY if >> possible creating any extra partitions AND formatting them (EXT 4 >> etc and create labels for them) as well as the one for booting the >> system - personally I use a max size of 50 GB for the boot >> partitions and I do have more than one on a drive so I can test a >> new version and/or install an other distro if I wish to experiment >> creating 40 - 50 GB partitions for them as a guess but but not below >> 20 GB, but you might want to use a different size depending on >> total capacity and your needs. Another option to moving m.2 units >> about is to get a adaptor that will take a m.2 drive that can be >> mounted as a usb drive and no never looked but assume they are >> around at a reasonable price. This option, will be slower in >> operation as USB is less than 5% speed of a M.2 drive. [ Here an m.2 >> runs at 6,000 Mb persec and USB 4-500 Mb if you are lucky - yes they >> actually operate well below specification speeds. Look you cannot >> go wrong PROVIDING you NEVER overwrite the original drives and only >> use them to copy FROM. OK, you might make mistakes and have to redo >> it all but it is only time and your original data is safe BUT, BUT >> only do this process when you are wide awake :( Vincent > Vince, > I know and appreciate your sincerity, but the last paragraph reeks of > "What can possibly go wrong?" to me! > Unless you can GUARANTEE full success, I am headed in the "Use what's > there" direction. And it's the cheapest. > Cheers > -- > Davey. Here the trick is to only open these systems you are copying FROM as Read Only - the entire partition. via MOUNT i.e., sudo mount -r .... Vincent
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