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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder |
| Date | 2024-07-07 12:51 +0200 |
| Organization | i2pn2 (i2pn.org) |
| Message-ID | <1245d7da-51d1-cf8a-e0da-afe1cf7e6c25@example.net> (permalink) |
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On Sun, 7 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote: >> The thing is... with capitalism and free markets, people will soon earn >> capital. Hong Kong used to be a backwards island, they started with sweat >> shops and unregulated capitalism, and finished by becoming the worlds >> financial center with the highest salaries in the world (before china took >> over). What made that possible was unregulated capitalism, since the >> backwards island could then bootstrap itself to wealth within a few >> generations. >> >> More about that in Johan Norbergs in defense of global capitalism, and the >> capitalist manifesto, if you are interested. >> >> As for the young, they are sold lies, and since they are young and lack >> life experience, it is of course a nicer lie that the government will give >> them everything, without having to work for it, than manning up and go to >> work. >> --8323328-1362738420-1720262525=:17764-- > > > Well, the thing is we HAVE Capitalism and Free Markets and Capital is > being accumulated by the few. Now if you are going to use that "this is > not true Free Markets", then sorry, then you sound like all the > Communists who say that Russia and China and North Korea are "not true > Communism". If your ideology can only ever work in an utterly pure > form, its faulty, because that pure form will never be realised in > practice. I will use the "this is not free markets". Just go to heritage foundation and sort countries based on size of governments. In the west, the governments are _huge_, the regulatory burden is _huge_, politicians decide which companies will be big or not since governments are enormous actors on the markets. Actually, what you are complaining about is socialism with some markets added on the side. That is why your children have the future ahead of them that you describe. Due to high taxes, they cannot save their way to becoming millionaires. Companies use the government (either with willing or unwilling politicians) to give themselves the ultimate edge. Politicians get rich by doing that and getting board seats in return. I'm sorry, but we have no free markets in the western world, and we are seeing the results. If you think I claim "not true communism" then I do not think it is profitable to continue this discussion, because your definition of free markets and my definition are not even remotely close, so we would just talk past each other. > I've spend enough time believing in, buying, reading these arguments, > they don't work, IN PRACTICE. There is something to be said by letting > entrepreneurs be entrepreneurs, and there is something to be said by > letting creative people be creative, yes, but the current system is > based on Capital, not creativity and inventiveness. You earn more money > monopolising houses than actually working. No, the current system is based on government, and government control of capital. When the government spending is 30% or 40% or 60% of the GDP, you don't have a free market, you have the government deciding who the millionaire will be, with some iron willed and smart entrepreneurs playing the game in the free small pockets that remain. > I'm not buying these lies anymore. I have a "good job", that I worked > damn hard to achieve, a managerial position, yet am worse off, while I > watch rent-seekers get everything. I never took benefits, I did > everything right. Screw that. The lie I do not buy is that the government will fix everything. I see politicians becoming richer and richer, I see regulations becoming more, I see more and more government contracts being awarded to corporates who are in bed with the government. As I said, this is not my definition of free markets, this is my definition of early stage socialism. And since this, as per your message, seems to be what you mean with free markets, we will just talk past each other. What I do find interesting though, is that we see a lot of the same problems, but we land in dramatically different solutions.
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