Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
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Subject	Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder
Date	2024-07-05 14:59 +0100
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On 05/07/2024 13:49, Borax Man wrote:
> On 2024-07-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 05/07/2024 03:10, Borax Man wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 04/07/2024 11:41, Borax Man wrote:
>>>>> Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
>>>>> Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and
>>>>> everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist".
>>>>
>>>> The fact is that Marxism - and this is another example of it, even if
>>>> its protagonists dont realise it - is attractive to people who think
>>>> they are smarter than they actually are.
>>>> They are not super bright and cannot work things out for themselves from
>>>> first principles but they are absolutely capable of absorbing enormous
>>>> quantities of received wisdom, which they regurgitate using the
>>>> justification that Greater Minds have said it, therefore it must be
>>>> true. This is the "Argumentum Ad Auctoritatem" fallacy.
>>>>
>>>> Because they have more 'facts' stuffed in their heads, they feel they
>>>> are actually better qualified to run things than plebs.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately they are vulnerable to any kind of carefully crafted
>>>> bullshit that comes along, because having decreed that ordinary common
>>>> sense is what plebs have, and the Truth is what they have, they are
>>>> never minded to actually attempt to understand the reality of what they
>>>> believe in. And fearful of being the first to declare that the Emperor
>>>> has no clothes, they use their Bandar Logic (We all say it, so it must
>>>> be true) to follow the herd of the minor intelligentsia, and follow the
>>>> herd.
>>>>
>>>> The problem with following the herd, is that all you see is arseholes.
>>>>
>>>> Too much education for not very high quality brains leads to a belief in
>>>> all this woke shit.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Marxism says that intellectuals should rule and make decisions, so it
>>> appeals to those who perceive themselves to be intellectuals, who know
>>> better than us.  This seems to underlie the thinking, "we are the
>>> educated elite, and we know better".  So naturally, an ideology which
>>> puts them in power, is appealing.  We've run the experiment, put
>>> intellectuals in power, and it didn't work.  I don't really have a
>>> problem with people being educated, after all, I am as well, but I do
>>> with the hubris that education makes one better placed to decide how
>>> society should work.  Your degree in Software Engineering does NOT put
>>> you in a better position to comment on social issues and politics and
>>> what values are good for society.
>> 1. My degree is not in software engineering
>> 2. My contempt is not for true intellectuals, but for the vast majority
>> of pseudo intellectuals who are as you describe above.
>> 3. I have far more time for the ordinary bloke on the shop floor who has
>> learnt by direct experience.
>>
> 
> The people on the shop floor know from experience what works and what
> doesn't, and more importantly, how to actually achieve something of
> practical value.  Besides, if you're going to shoot your mouth off to
> say how society should work, you MUST listen to people who actually do
> make society work, that is, the farmer, the doctors, the tradesmen, the
> engineers, the workers.
> 
I spent my whole life foing that.
Its the peole who have never stepped ouside their safe council jobs and 
are lifeling beuracrats aho are running things now.

> When you actually have to produce something tangible, when you're
> dealing with material reality, you have little time for pie-in-the sky
> ideas that don't work.
> 
Precisely.

The New Left is all about morally correct ideas, no matter how impractical.

I have south African connections. The morally correct populist communist 
ANC supported by all the Liberal Lefties, have all but destroyed the 
wealth of the average black African and all but removed any personal 
security for anyone, regardless of colour.


> 
>>>
>>> I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards
>>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of
>>> ignorance of fear.  Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and
>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social
>>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
>>
>> The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists with
>> their Art degrees and their moral 'issues'
>>
> 
> I wish it were only the Art students, but it isn't confined to just them.

No, that is true. Minor technical people too - software engineers, lab 
technicians, teachers - anyone who thinks that knowledge *rote learned* 
is actually some sort of mark of intelligence.

There are people who think, and there are people who read the NY times 
or the Guardian.


-- 
"An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out 
only in others...”

Tom Wolfe

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