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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.vms |
| Subject | Re: DCL2 |
| Date | 2025-12-16 14:05 +0000 |
| Organization | PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC |
| Message-ID | <10hrovq$mbo$1@reader2.panix.com> (permalink) |
| References | <10h055c$217jf$1@dont-email.me> <10h276k$2va4v$1@dont-email.me> <10h2f9d$31q74$1@dont-email.me> <10h3upk$3f20l$1@dont-email.me> |
In article <10h3upk$3f20l$1@dont-email.me>, Craig A. Berry <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> wrote: >[...] But with people using scripting >languages to process massive vectors to train LLM models, it all seems >pretty puny. This is a good point, but, I sometimes wonder if, perhaps, we need to recalibrate what we mean when we say, "scripting language." I imagine that you are referring to Python here, as that seems to be the thing that the kids are all hip on these days when it comes to model training and such-like, but I think it's fair to say that that language has grown far beyond traditional "scripting" use. Python is interpreted, yes, but people who are using it to do numerical analysis are often using the jit-compiled variant, and more often the actual heavy computational lifting is being done in a library that's exposed to Python via an FFI; so the actual training code is in Fortran or C or some more traditional compiled language. There is, evidently, a need (or at least desire) for a really good interpreted language to script various system management tasks; I gather folks feel that DCL is a bit long in the tooth and insufficient for that. As I mentioned before, I feel like that is qualitatively different than using DCL as an interactive CLI; perhaps the solution here is just to build out a really nice set of officially supported modules for, say, Python (or a similar suitable language) and call it a day. - Dan C.
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