Re: DCL2

From	kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups	comp.os.vms
Subject	Re: DCL2
Date	2025-12-06 14:45 -0500
Organization	Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000)
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Let me just say that as the Unix shell advanced from ssh through ksh and 
into modern bash (with some csh sidelines), at the same time that all these
great scripting facilities were being added to the shell-- people stopped 
using the shell for scripting and moved to special scripting languages like
perl and python.

So, while I am a fan of the unix shell (and less of a fan of DCL but still
someone who appreciates DCL), I don't think most of the effort that has
gone into making a sophisticated command language has been of that much
use, since how people use the shell has changed.

That being the case, I would think it would be better to spend the effort
into getting better python integration for VMS than in souping up DCL.
(And I really don't like python at all... the indentation being syntax
reminds me far too much of JCL... but it's what everyone uses today.)
--scott
-- 
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  Re: DCL2 Marc Van Dyck <marc.gr.vandyck@invalid.skynet.be> - 2025-12-06 11:42 +0100
    Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-06 10:33 -0500
      Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-06 10:57 -0500
        Re: DCL2 Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> - 2025-12-06 16:12 +0000
          Re: DCL2 kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-12-06 14:45 -0500
            Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-06 15:23 -0500
              Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-06 15:47 -0500
                Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-07 12:03 -0500
              Re: [Info-vax] DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-07 12:09 -0500
            Re: DCL2 Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> - 2025-12-07 14:18 +0000
              Re: DCL2 kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-12-07 10:03 -0500
              Re: DCL2 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-12-08 20:13 +0000
        Re: [Info-vax] DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-06 15:41 -0500
    Re: DCL2 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 01:45 +0000
      Re: DCL2 antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-12-15 01:51 +0000
        Re: DCL2 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 02:56 +0000
        Re: DCL2 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-12-15 16:37 +0000
          Re: DCL2 jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2025-12-15 19:37 +0000
            Re: DCL2 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 22:59 +0000
      Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-15 11:58 -0500
  Re: DCL2 "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2025-12-06 15:28 -0600
    Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-06 18:46 -0500
      Re: DCL2 "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2025-12-07 07:17 -0600
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          Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-07 11:13 -0500
            Re: DCL2 steve sparrow <sdsparrow@aol.com> - 2025-12-08 11:14 -0600
              Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-08 19:07 -0500
        Re: DCL2 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-12-16 14:05 +0000
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              Re: DCL2 "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2025-12-17 07:19 -0600
                Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-18 09:46 -0500
              Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-18 09:44 -0500
            Re: DCL2 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-12-17 16:55 +0000
          Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-16 20:26 -0500
            Re: DCL2 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-12-17 16:57 +0000
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              Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-17 20:45 -0500
                Re: DCL2 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-12-18 15:03 +0000
      Re: DCL2 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 01:41 +0000
        Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-15 11:59 -0500
          Re: DCL2 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:01 +0000
            Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-15 19:28 -0500
              Re: DCL2 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 01:24 +0000
                Re: DCL2 Sam Thomas <sam@noneya.com> - 2025-12-16 17:38 +0000
                Re: DCL2 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:07 +0000
                Re: DCL2 Sam Thomas <sam@noneya.com> - 2025-12-17 14:52 +0000
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                Re: DCL2 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-18 02:31 +0000
                Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-17 21:40 -0500
  Re: DCL2 Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2025-12-08 14:12 +0000
    Re: DCL2 Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2025-12-08 14:23 +0000
    Re: DCL2 bill <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 15:42 -0500
      Re: DCL2 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-12-10 20:50 +0000
        Re: DCL2 Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2025-12-11 13:11 +0000
          Re: DCL2 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-12-11 16:22 +0000
    Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-08 19:58 -0500
      Re: DCL2 Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2025-12-09 13:31 +0000
    Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-08 20:35 -0500
      Re: DCL2 Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2025-12-09 13:55 +0000
        Re: DCL2 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2025-12-09 20:08 -0500
          Re: DCL2 Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2025-12-10 14:14 +0000
  Re: DCL2 Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> - 2025-12-13 11:27 -0700
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