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Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?

From vallor <vallor@vallor.earth>
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Subject Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?
Date 2025-11-11 16:52 +0000
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At Sun, 9 Nov 2025 09:18:26 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 11/9/25 03:25, Diego Garcia wrote:
> > On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 23:58:40 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> > 
> >> On 11/8/25 06:31, Diego Garcia wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Digitally speaking, strings are a very unnatural construct
> >>> and that's why C doesn't deal with them in a "nice" fashion.
> >>
> >>     "Unnatural" ???
> >>
> > 
> > Yes, very unnatural.
> > 
> > The x86_64 processor has several data types that reflect
> > the hardware registers and "string" is not one of them.
> > In fact, "string" is not a data type at all but rather
> > a smooshing of existing types to be able to fit a popular
> > concept.
> > 
> > It may have been simpler in the past when "string" was defined
> > as an array of char types (uint8), but now there is Unicode
> > and this severely complicates the matter regarding lengths
> > and comparisons.
> > 
> >>
> >>     Anyway, complex dealings with strings can certainly
> >>     be done ... but it's the tiny-step by tiny-step
> >>     aspect that's just damned annoying to use.
> >>
> > 
> > Again, not so much with Unicode strings.
> > 
> > Ever hear of Unicode string normalization?
> > 
> > To deal with Unicode a dedicated library is absolutely
> > essential.  There is the standard "icu" library and
> > also the wonderful GNU "libunistring:"
> > 
> > <https://icu.unicode.org/>
> > 
> > <https://www.gnu.org/software/libunistring/>
> > 
> > 
> >>
> >>> And that's why incompetent programmers flock to Python.
> >>
> >>     And you're SO superior to everyone else, right ?  :-)
> >>
> > 
> > It's a well known fact (except to the Python people).
> > 
> > 
> >>
> >>     Programming is about getting it done properly, does
> >>     not matter if that's LISP or 'C' or FORTRAN or any
> >>     of three dozen other options.
> >>
> > 
> > The digital computer was borne out of a single necessity:
> > SPEED, SPEED, and more SPEED.
> > 
> > Thus, programming is about SPEED and only SPEED.
> > 
> > Try to predict the weather using Python.  You'll
> > be getting tomorrows forecast next week, or even
> > next month.
> 
> 
> 	Yes digital equipment is faster and maybe much more accurate
> than interpolation of  stuff from slide rules and other mechanical
> calculators...
> 	But programming being solely about Speed seems a bit off to
> me.
[...snip...]

Agreed.  The MILSPEC for telecommunications back when
I was doing that was "secure, reliable, rapid".

I think that applies to data processing in general.

Meanwhile, "Mr. Speed" runs with all the security
mitigations turned off in his kernel.  Also turns off
stack-smashing protections when compiling his Gentoo
goodies.  More power to him, I guess...but I'm pretty
sure most people wouldn't do that.

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Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:01 -0500
  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 11:31 +0000
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-08 12:03 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:15 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:32 +0100
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:08 -0500
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:51 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:38 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:35 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-08 12:44 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:50 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:57 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-08 13:51 +0000
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 23:58 -0500
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-09 11:25 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:48 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 23:29 -0500
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-09 09:18 -0800
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-09 20:13 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:47 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:09 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:35 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:15 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:33 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:23 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 01:03 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 10:57 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:36 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-11 20:50 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:44 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:38 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-12 16:38 -0800
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 04:29 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-13 05:07 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 01:09 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:42 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:37 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:46 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 05:31 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 06:00 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 02:08 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:55 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:30 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:56 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:54 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:17 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:38 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:20 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-12 11:32 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:50 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:18 +0000
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                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:25 +0000
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                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:49 +0000
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                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:31 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:39 +0000
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                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:53 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:37 +0000
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                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:01 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:33 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:27 +0100
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                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-19 20:12 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:10 +0000
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                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:19 +0000
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                Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 23:18 +0000
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                Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-22 03:20 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 05:57 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 23:51 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-18 20:04 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-18 20:29 +0000
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                Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 21:14 +0000
                ISO 8859-1, ISO 8859-15 and their names (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:20 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-21 19:10 -0700
                Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-22 10:23 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-22 17:55 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-22 19:20 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 21:43 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 00:23 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-22 20:25 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-19 02:37 +0100
                ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2025-11-19 14:58 +0100
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-20 02:09 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-19 20:16 -0700
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 08:47 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:10 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> - 2025-11-21 12:24 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-19 13:02 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:26 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:44 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:57 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-15 19:52 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:50 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 18:56 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:24 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:43 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 03:20 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 16:14 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-17 19:39 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:24 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 19:41 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:00 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:56 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:25 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 04:21 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 23:40 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:05 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 02:48 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-16 03:53 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:45 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:29 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 10:22 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-14 10:35 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 15:55 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 02:07 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 15:47 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:36 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:04 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:57 +0100
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:13 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:50 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 21:01 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:40 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-10 21:54 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:14 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:21 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 00:21 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:43 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 00:35 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-11 01:40 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:48 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 08:53 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-11-11 11:42 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:25 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:21 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:56 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 08:38 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:43 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:43 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:50 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:11 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:24 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-12 16:22 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 10:59 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 17:14 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:28 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:48 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 11:20 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:31 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:08 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:22 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:05 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:29 -0500
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-11-10 11:56 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-10 13:03 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:23 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-10 22:38 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 00:07 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 16:48 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 18:04 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 16:52 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-11 20:06 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 23:09 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:31 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:50 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 06:50 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:05 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-15 17:17 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:35 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-12 21:09 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:22 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-12 21:06 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:30 -0500
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:28 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:36 -0500
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:46 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 23:22 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 20:16 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:08 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 19:58 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 07:21 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 02:26 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 08:35 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:29 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:07 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 04:59 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:57 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:19 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-13 20:16 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:17 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 01:54 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:33 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 14:04 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 16:27 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 22:44 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-11-14 13:24 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 17:03 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:10 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:56 -0500
  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:28 +0100
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:45 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 14:35 +0100
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 22:15 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:28 -0500
  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:29 +0000
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-09 01:11 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 02:37 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 09:11 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:08 +0000

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