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| First post | 2026-05-27 15:03 +0100 |
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macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-05-27 15:03 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 14:29 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-05-27 15:15 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 15:34 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-05-27 18:34 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 20:00 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-05-27 23:36 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 23:33 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-05-28 12:48 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 20:31 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-05-27 23:42 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 23:39 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-05-28 08:48 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 12:26 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-02 10:51 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 16:13 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-02 21:58 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 21:03 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-02 21:21 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 21:46 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-02 21:57 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 00:35 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-03 07:46 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 14:02 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-03 14:54 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 15:43 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-03 16:00 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 19:06 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-03 19:40 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 19:48 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-03 19:58 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 23:53 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-04 08:08 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 13:53 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-04 14:32 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 14:47 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-04 15:05 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 16:20 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 20:07 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 19:16 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 21:59 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 21:15 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 22:38 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 22:28 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 22:50 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 22:27 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 23:34 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 22:57 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 15:45 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-03 17:01 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 19:06 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-03 19:46 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 19:49 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-02 09:59 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 16:14 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-02 22:02 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 21:05 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-06-02 22:23 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 00:40 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-03 08:51 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 14:02 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-06-03 20:22 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 23:45 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-06-03 20:22 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 23:45 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 08:31 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 13:56 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 15:59 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 16:06 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-06-05 03:42 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-05 03:59 +0000
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 08:26 +0100
Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 13:57 +0000
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| From | "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 21:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n8e79sFhmjaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #183806 |
On 04/06/2026 20:16, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Jun 4, 2026 at 12:07:18 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote > <n8e0n7Fge4rU1@mid.individual.net>: > >> On Jun 4, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> This is how macOS works. Any such app. So what is your point? You dropped the >>> /Library claim and now are looking to have me argue other things. >> >> My point, Michael, is that standard security architecture evolves >> precisely because saying "this is how it works, so what?" is how systems >> stay vulnerable. > > I am not going to change how macOS works. LOL! More than that, I think Apple > does a pretty good job of improving as they go. With that said, sure, there is > a place to talk about the theory and how an OS can be made better. No issue > with that. But you are not doing that. You are looking at EtreCheck and saying > it is a risk -- when you have not shown it to be any more of a risk than > similar software that needs similar permissions. > > You have started with a conclusion -- EtreCheck is evil -- and are looking to > show it. And failing. And in doing so you are looking to see what that > software does not knowing what is the norm. Without knowing the norm you > cannot know if what it is doing is outside of the norm. > > Below you change topics to things that are not in contention. > >> Modern macOS apps using privilege separation explicitly avoid leaving >> raw, executable helper binaries sitting inside user-writable directories >> (/Applications/) for exactly the Local Privilege Escalation (LPE) >> reasons I just laid out. They use modern system daemons precisely >> because allowing user-space assets to elevate straight to root upon >> admin authentication is a known architectural hazard. >> >> But I'll let you have your minor victory lap on the directory path >> cleanup. > > It was the one thing I was questioning you about. And you have conceded the > point (again). Not sure what we are even arguing about. > >> Yes, we established the tool relies on on-demand escalation >> inside the bundle rather than a persistent drop into /Library. > > Good to see you have learned since you said this > <6a1fdbc4$1$55442$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: > > Clarifying that the binary is written to /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ > > And I responded with: > > Please show a screenshot backing this. > > That was my point. I did not believe you were correct -- though even in my > wording there I was open to being shown I was wrong. > >> The >> screenshot cleared the air, which is exactly why I posted it. > > The screenshot did not back your claim quoted above... and you have since > given up on your claim. With that I am not even sure what we are discussing or > even more disagreeing about. You keep assuming I meant things I never said. Of > course, you are using AI and it is not getting the context and is possibly > hallucinating and otherwise leading you astray. So be it. A bit amusing but > also a bit sad -- I have no quarrel with you. I do disagree with your extreme > focus on trying to find wrongdoing in EtreCheck. As I have said, it is harmful > to all involved. But it is not like you go to the extremes of my stalker, so > not gonna get too worked up over it. >> >> I am glad to hear the holiday and business are both going well! Keep >> soaking up the sun, enjoy the rest of your trip, and don't think about >> UNIX file permissions for at least the next few days. > > I am working with someone with a mixed environment -- Windows and macOS. No > Linux. >> >> I'll hold you to that round of drinks when you're back. >> >> Cheers! >> >> David On Jun 4, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote: > The screenshot did not back your claim quoted above... and you have since > given up on your claim. With that I am not even sure what we are discussing or > even more disagreeing about. You keep assuming I meant things I never said. Of > course, you are using AI and it is not getting the context and is possibly > hallucinating and otherwise leading you astray. So be it. > ... > I am working with someone with a mixed environment -- Windows and macOS. No > Linux. Oh, Michael, you just had to get the last word in from your deck chair, didn't you? 😄 Blaming "AI" for a standard local privilege escalation argument that I illustrated with my own physical file screenshot is a wonderfully creative way to exit a technical corner. As for your mixed environment—Windows and macOS but no Linux? My condolences to your client! They don't know what they are missing out on. We've both made our points, the screenshot cleared up the mechanics for the group, and the thread has thoroughly run its course. Put the phone away, get back to your business and your holiday, and I'll see you at the pub when you get back to Blighty. In a manner of speaking! -- David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 21:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a21ead9$3$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #183807 |
On Jun 4, 2026 at 1:59:40 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n8e79sFhmjaU1@mid.individual.net>: > On 04/06/2026 20:16, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Jun 4, 2026 at 12:07:18 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote >> <n8e0n7Fge4rU1@mid.individual.net>: >> >>> On Jun 4, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>> This is how macOS works. Any such app. So what is your point? You dropped the >>>> /Library claim and now are looking to have me argue other things. >>> >>> My point, Michael, is that standard security architecture evolves >>> precisely because saying "this is how it works, so what?" is how systems >>> stay vulnerable. >> >> I am not going to change how macOS works. LOL! More than that, I think Apple >> does a pretty good job of improving as they go. With that said, sure, there is >> a place to talk about the theory and how an OS can be made better. No issue >> with that. But you are not doing that. You are looking at EtreCheck and saying >> it is a risk -- when you have not shown it to be any more of a risk than >> similar software that needs similar permissions. >> >> You have started with a conclusion -- EtreCheck is evil -- and are looking to >> show it. And failing. And in doing so you are looking to see what that >> software does not knowing what is the norm. Without knowing the norm you >> cannot know if what it is doing is outside of the norm. >> >> Below you change topics to things that are not in contention. >> >>> Modern macOS apps using privilege separation explicitly avoid leaving >>> raw, executable helper binaries sitting inside user-writable directories >>> (/Applications/) for exactly the Local Privilege Escalation (LPE) >>> reasons I just laid out. They use modern system daemons precisely >>> because allowing user-space assets to elevate straight to root upon >>> admin authentication is a known architectural hazard. >>> >>> But I'll let you have your minor victory lap on the directory path >>> cleanup. >> >> It was the one thing I was questioning you about. And you have conceded the >> point (again). Not sure what we are even arguing about. >> >>> Yes, we established the tool relies on on-demand escalation >>> inside the bundle rather than a persistent drop into /Library. >> >> Good to see you have learned since you said this >> <6a1fdbc4$1$55442$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: >> >> Clarifying that the binary is written to /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ >> >> And I responded with: >> >> Please show a screenshot backing this. >> >> That was my point. I did not believe you were correct -- though even in my >> wording there I was open to being shown I was wrong. >> >>> The >>> screenshot cleared the air, which is exactly why I posted it. >> >> The screenshot did not back your claim quoted above... and you have since >> given up on your claim. With that I am not even sure what we are discussing or >> even more disagreeing about. You keep assuming I meant things I never said. Of >> course, you are using AI and it is not getting the context and is possibly >> hallucinating and otherwise leading you astray. So be it. A bit amusing but >> also a bit sad -- I have no quarrel with you. I do disagree with your extreme >> focus on trying to find wrongdoing in EtreCheck. As I have said, it is harmful >> to all involved. But it is not like you go to the extremes of my stalker, so >> not gonna get too worked up over it. >>> >>> I am glad to hear the holiday and business are both going well! Keep >>> soaking up the sun, enjoy the rest of your trip, and don't think about >>> UNIX file permissions for at least the next few days. >> >> I am working with someone with a mixed environment -- Windows and macOS. No >> Linux. >>> >>> I'll hold you to that round of drinks when you're back. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> David > > > On Jun 4, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> The screenshot did not back your claim quoted above... and you have since >> given up on your claim. With that I am not even sure what we are discussing or >> even more disagreeing about. You keep assuming I meant things I never said. Of >> course, you are using AI and it is not getting the context and is possibly >> hallucinating and otherwise leading you astray. So be it. >> ... >> I am working with someone with a mixed environment -- Windows and macOS. No >> Linux. > > Oh, Michael, you just had to get the last word in from your deck chair, > didn't you? 😄 One simple way to not have me respond to false accusations is to not make them. :) > > Blaming "AI" for a standard local privilege escalation argument that I > illustrated > with my own physical file screenshot is a wonderfully creative way to > exit a technical corner. This is one of the false accusations I noted. > As for your mixed environment—Windows and macOS but no Linux? > My condolences to your client! They don't know what they are missing out > on. LOL! I actually did suggest it for some of their stuff. They were not interested. Which is fine. It is a small business and they have a mix they are happy with. For what it is worth, the Macs are working fine -- though I made some suggestions -- and the PCs are having issues. I *AM* behind on Windows, but have been completely honest and they are happy with my work. Even treating me and those I am with to dinner tonight at their favorite restaurant. > > We've both made our points, the screenshot cleared up the mechanics for > the group, > and the thread has thoroughly run its course. Put the phone away, get > back to your business and your holiday, and I'll see you at the pub when > you get back to Blighty. > > In a manner of speaking! I am happy you are no longer insisting EtreCheck is doing something untoward or uncommon, at least that has been shown. A far as I can tell, and have seen, at least modern EtreCheck does not put anything in /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 22:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n8e9isFi2arU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #183808 |
On Jun 4, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote: > I am happy you are no longer insisting EtreCheck is doing something untoward > or uncommon, at least that has been shown. A far as I can tell, and have seen, > at least modern EtreCheck does not put anything in > /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ Michael, if you keep digging like this, you're going to strike oil right there in Arizona. I haven't changed my position on the security debt by one millimetre, but I am absolutely not missing out on a free dinner invitation by proxy. Go eat your steak, enjoy the free meal, and let the thread rest in peace! Cheers, David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 22:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a21fc1d$0$55974$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #183809 |
On Jun 4, 2026 at 2:38:36 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n8e9isFi2arU1@mid.individual.net>: > On Jun 4, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> I am happy you are no longer insisting EtreCheck is doing something > untoward >> or uncommon, at least that has been shown. A far as I can tell, and > have seen, >> at least modern EtreCheck does not put anything in >> /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ > > > Michael, if you keep digging like this, you're going to strike oil right > there in Arizona. > > I haven't changed my position on the security debt by one millimetre, > but I am absolutely not missing out on a free dinner invitation by proxy. > > Go eat your steak, enjoy the free meal, and let the thread rest in peace! > > Cheers, > David Mexican... thought they also do other stuff. Seems not focused but they get great reviews. We shall see. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 22:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n8ea8eFi4nnU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #183808 |
On 04/06/2026 22:15, Brock McNuggets wrote: > I am happy you are no longer insisting EtreCheck is doing something untoward > or uncommon, at least that has been shown. A far as I can tell, and have seen, > at least modern EtreCheck does not put anything in > /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ It's here instead:- https://i.ibb.co/dJKVVNwR/Screenshot-2026-06-04-at-22-29-17.png -- Kind regards, David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 22:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a21fbe2$0$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #183810 |
On Jun 4, 2026 at 2:50:06 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n8ea8eFi4nnU1@mid.individual.net>: > On 04/06/2026 22:15, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> I am happy you are no longer insisting EtreCheck is doing something untoward >> or uncommon, at least that has been shown. A far as I can tell, and have seen, >> at least modern EtreCheck does not put anything in >> /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ > > It's here instead:- > > https://i.ibb.co/dJKVVNwR/Screenshot-2026-06-04-at-22-29-17.png In the bundle. Sure. And not to freak you out but you likely have a copy here: ~/Library/Spotlight/ -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 23:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n8ecscFiirbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #183811 |
On 04/06/2026 23:27, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Jun 4, 2026 at 2:50:06 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote > <n8ea8eFi4nnU1@mid.individual.net>: > >> On 04/06/2026 22:15, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> I am happy you are no longer insisting EtreCheck is doing something untoward >>> or uncommon, at least that has been shown. A far as I can tell, and have seen, >>> at least modern EtreCheck does not put anything in >>> /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ >> >> It's here instead:- >> >> https://i.ibb.co/dJKVVNwR/Screenshot-2026-06-04-at-22-29-17.png > > In the bundle. Sure. > > And not to freak you out but you likely have a copy here: > > ~/Library/Spotlight/ No need to freak out, Michael. That's not how modern macOS bundle indexing works. The metadata server (mds) registers and indexes app-scoped plugins natively right out of the application's user-space bundle (as shown in my screenshot). It doesn't need to write or copy a duplicate file to ~/ Library/Spotlight/ at all. You can easily verify this by checking your own ~/Library/Spotlight/ directory—it’s typically empty unless you've manually installed legacy, standalone third-party importers. The files stay inside the container, exactly as documented. Now, step away from the Usenet feed and look at the menu. Your dinner is getting cold! 😄 Cheers, David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 22:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a2202d0$1$24$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #183813 |
On Jun 4, 2026 at 3:34:51 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n8ecscFiirbU1@mid.individual.net>: > On 04/06/2026 23:27, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Jun 4, 2026 at 2:50:06 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote >> <n8ea8eFi4nnU1@mid.individual.net>: >> >>> On 04/06/2026 22:15, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>> I am happy you are no longer insisting EtreCheck is doing something untoward >>>> or uncommon, at least that has been shown. A far as I can tell, and have seen, >>>> at least modern EtreCheck does not put anything in >>>> /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ >>> >>> It's here instead:- >>> >>> https://i.ibb.co/dJKVVNwR/Screenshot-2026-06-04-at-22-29-17.png >> >> In the bundle. Sure. >> >> And not to freak you out but you likely have a copy here: >> >> ~/Library/Spotlight/ > > No need to freak out, Michael. That's not how modern macOS bundle > indexing works. > > The metadata server (mds) registers and indexes app-scoped plugins > natively right out of the application's user-space bundle (as shown in > my screenshot). Even if it was copied it would be in the bundle to be copied. But you are right in modern use it is suggested to not copy it. > It doesn't need to write or copy a duplicate file to ~/ > Library/Spotlight/ at all. You can easily verify this by checking your > own ~/Library/Spotlight/ directory—it’s typically empty unless you've > manually installed legacy, standalone third-party importers. It is not empty... but I have some very old stuff. I should clear things out. > > The files stay inside the container, exactly as documented. > > Now, step away from the Usenet feed and look at the menu. > > Your dinner is getting cold! 😄 About 10 min and I am off to go eat. Waiting for those I am traveling with to get ready. > > Cheers, > David -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 15:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a204c18$0$43783$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #183767 |
On Jun 3, 2026 at 12:46:12 AM MST, "David B." wrote <6a1fdbc4$1$55442$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: > On Jun 3, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> Yes. And then you realized you were in error and apologized. >> A claim you have not shown and previously admitted was in error. > > You are confusing a precise technical clarification about timing with an > admission of error, Michael. > > Clarifying that the binary is written to /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ Please show a screenshot backing this. ... -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 17:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n8b1fjF1frhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #183774 |
On 03/06/2026 16:45, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Jun 3, 2026 at 12:46:12 AM MST, "David B." wrote > <6a1fdbc4$1$55442$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: > >> On Jun 3, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> Yes. And then you realized you were in error and apologized. >>> A claim you have not shown and previously admitted was in error. >> >> You are confusing a precise technical clarification about timing with an >> admission of error, Michael. >> >> Clarifying that the binary is written to /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ > > Please show a screenshot backing this. On Jun 3, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote: > You have yet to give any actual concern with that file or show a screenshot of > it being in the System folder. If you drag the Bundle to the trash it is > deleted. Moving the goalposts won't save your argument, Michael. First you claimed the file didn't exist at all. Now that I’ve proven it exists and executed it, you claim dragging the bundle to the Trash deletes everything. That is fundamentally, text-book wrong. Dragging an application bundle from /Applications/ to the Trash deletes ONLY the bundle itself. It does NOT—and inherently cannot—clean up files that have been escalated to the root system folder (/Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/). A standard user space action like dragging an icon to the Trash does not possess the root-level privileges required to modify or delete files inside protected root system directories. Apple specifically designed the Finder to prevent standard user actions from altering the root directory. As we already established earlier in this thread, the storageHelper inside the bundle is the blueprint. The moment a user runs the advanced drive benchmark and authenticates the administrator prompt, macOS uses the system APIs to install a persistent copy into: /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ If you drag EtreCheckPro to the Trash after that, the root-owned system binary remains left behind silently in the root folder. That is the literal definition of an "orphaned privileged helper." Since you claim dragging the bundle deletes it all, please explain the magic mechanism by which the user-space Finder deletes a root-owned binary inside a protected system directory without asking the user for an administrator password. I’ll wait. -- Kind regards, David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 19:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a207b18$0$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #183775 |
On Jun 3, 2026 at 9:01:55 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n8b1fjF1frhU1@mid.individual.net>: > On 03/06/2026 16:45, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Jun 3, 2026 at 12:46:12 AM MST, "David B." wrote >> <6a1fdbc4$1$55442$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: >> >>> On Jun 3, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>> Yes. And then you realized you were in error and apologized. >>>> A claim you have not shown and previously admitted was in error. >>> >>> You are confusing a precise technical clarification about timing with an >>> admission of error, Michael. >>> >>> Clarifying that the binary is written to /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ >> >> Please show a screenshot backing this. > > On Jun 3, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> You have yet to give any actual concern with that file or show a > screenshot of >> it being in the System folder. If you drag the Bundle to the trash it is >> deleted. > > Moving the goalposts won't save your argument, Michael. First you > claimed the file didn't exist at all. Now that I’ve proven it exists and > executed it, you claim dragging the bundle to the Trash deletes everything. > > That is fundamentally, text-book wrong. > > Dragging an application bundle from /Applications/ to the Trash deletes > ONLY the bundle itself. It does NOT—and inherently cannot—clean up files > that have been escalated to the root system folder > (/Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/). > > A standard user space action like dragging an icon to the Trash does not > possess the root-level privileges required to modify or delete files > inside protected root system directories. Apple specifically designed > the Finder to prevent standard user actions from altering the root > directory. > > As we already established earlier in this thread, the storageHelper > inside the bundle is the blueprint. The moment a user runs the advanced > drive benchmark and authenticates the administrator prompt, macOS uses > the system APIs to install a persistent copy into: > > /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ > > If you drag EtreCheckPro to the Trash after that, the root-owned system > binary remains left behind silently in the root folder. That is the > literal definition of an "orphaned privileged helper." > > Since you claim dragging the bundle deletes it all, please explain the > magic mechanism by which the user-space Finder deletes a root-owned > binary inside a protected system directory without asking the user for > an administrator password. I’ll wait. You have yet to show a screenshot of the file you are concerned with. Hint: last time you went through this you eventually admitted it did not exist. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 19:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a20849c$0$23$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #183779 |
On 3 Jun 2026 at 20:06:00 BST, "Brock McNuggets" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote > You have yet to show a screenshot of the file you are concerned with. > Hint: last time you went through this you eventually admitted it did not > exist. Nice try with the gaslighting, Michael, but revisionist history won't save your collapsed argument. I have never admitted the helper binary "did not exist." What we actually clarified earlier was the *timing*—that the companion tool is actively dropped into the root folder *after* the advanced storage benchmark is explicitly triggered, rather than sitting there from a basic, un-triggered installation. The binary itself exists, it is right inside the application package contents under Contents/Helpers/storageHelper, and I literally just posted the raw Terminal log proving I executed it on my machine. Denying its existence at this stage is public comedy. I notice you have completely failed—for the third time—to answer the core technical question: By what magic mechanism does a user-space Finder "Trash" drag delete a root-owned binary inside /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ without asking the user for an administrator password? You can't answer it because standard UNIX permissions prevent it. You got caught flat-out wrong on basic macOS architecture, and hiding behind a fictional "hint" doesn't change the file math. Go back to your holiday. We’re done here! :-D -- In friendship, David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 19:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a208553$1$23$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #183782 |
On Jun 3, 2026 at 12:46:36 PM MST, "David B." wrote <6a20849c$0$23$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>: > On 3 Jun 2026 at 20:06:00 BST, "Brock McNuggets" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> > wrote > >> You have yet to show a screenshot of the file you are concerned with. >> Hint: last time you went through this you eventually admitted it did not >> exist. > > Nice try with the gaslighting, Michael, but revisionist history won't save > your collapsed argument. > > I have never admitted the helper binary "did not exist." What we actually > clarified earlier was the *timing*—that the companion tool is actively dropped > into the root folder *after* the advanced storage benchmark is explicitly > triggered, rather than sitting there from a basic, un-triggered installation. > > The binary itself exists, it is right inside the application package contents > under Contents/Helpers/storageHelper, and I literally just posted the raw > Terminal log proving I executed it on my machine. Denying its existence at > this stage is public comedy. > > I notice you have completely failed—for the third time—to answer the core > technical question: > > By what magic mechanism does a user-space Finder "Trash" drag delete a > root-owned binary inside /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/ without asking the > user for an administrator password? > > You can't answer it because standard UNIX permissions prevent it. You got > caught flat-out wrong on basic macOS architecture, and hiding behind a > fictional "hint" doesn't change the file math. > > Go back to your holiday. We’re done here! :-D You have yet to give any actual concern with that file or show a screenshot of it being in the System folder. If you drag the Bundle to the trash all of its contents are deleted. If you want to discuss a file OUTSIDE of that bundle, show a screenshot of the file. Good day! -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 09:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n87kbkFm6lrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #183707 |
On 02/06/2026 04:37, Gremlin wrote: > "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> news:n7ug66F8n7lU1@mid.individual.net > Fri, 29 May 2026 21:53:10 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: > >> On 29/05/2026 22:19, pothead wrote: >>> If you are interested in bits and bytes left around after a removal of >>> a program you will have a field day with Windows and the registry. >>> Happy hunting. >> >> That's all behind me now. I cut my teeth on Windows 3.1 and have used >> nearly all the Microsoft operating systems up to Windows 10. > > Yet you remain for all intents and purposes, a tech n00b. In all that time, > you have less technical working knowledge of how the machine in front of you > works than Snit. > That is NOT something you should be proud of. You have done as poorly with > tech as you did flying. It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your > computers in like you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for > gross incompetence, too. You were deemed a danger to yourself, your own > people and your own gear. The enemy would have nothing to fear from you. "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote: > It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your computers in like > you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for gross > incompetence, too. Your imagination is running wild again, Dustin. My 1969 naval flying logbook records the standard, administrative "Suspended from Flying Training. Flying Badge Removed" stamp from the Naval Aircrew Advisory Board. It was standard service practice, not a dramatic court-martial for "gross incompetence." Here's another copy, to save you 'digging back':- https://i.ibb.co/3mkhnC3Q/Flying-Log-Book.jpg I went on to serve in the Royal Navy for over 20 years, specialised in air traffic control, was promoted to Lieutenant Commander, and chose early retirement in 1983. (Under the 1981 Defence Review) As for your "tech n00b" lectures, I managed to handle advanced naval radar systems back when you were likely still in short trousers. Feel free to keep screaming at the clouds, but do try to stick to facts next time!
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 16:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a1f015e$0$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #183740 |
On Jun 2, 2026 at 1:59:32 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n87kbkFm6lrU1@mid.individual.net>: > On 02/06/2026 04:37, Gremlin wrote: >> "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> news:n7ug66F8n7lU1@mid.individual.net >> Fri, 29 May 2026 21:53:10 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: >> >>> On 29/05/2026 22:19, pothead wrote: >>>> If you are interested in bits and bytes left around after a removal of >>>> a program you will have a field day with Windows and the registry. >>>> Happy hunting. >>> >>> That's all behind me now. I cut my teeth on Windows 3.1 and have used >>> nearly all the Microsoft operating systems up to Windows 10. >> >> Yet you remain for all intents and purposes, a tech n00b. In all that time, >> you have less technical working knowledge of how the machine in front of you >> works than Snit. >> That is NOT something you should be proud of. You have done as poorly with >> tech as you did flying. It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your >> computers in like you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for >> gross incompetence, too. You were deemed a danger to yourself, your own >> people and your own gear. The enemy would have nothing to fear from you. > > "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote: >> It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your computers in like >> you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for gross >> incompetence, too. > > Your imagination is running wild again, Dustin. > > My 1969 naval flying logbook records the standard, administrative > "Suspended from Flying Training. Flying Badge Removed" stamp from the > Naval Aircrew Advisory Board. It was standard service practice, not a > dramatic court-martial for "gross incompetence." > > Here's another copy, to save you 'digging back':- > > https://i.ibb.co/3mkhnC3Q/Flying-Log-Book.jpg > > I went on to serve in the Royal Navy for over 20 years, specialised in > air traffic control, was promoted to Lieutenant Commander, and chose > early retirement in 1983. (Under the 1981 Defence Review) > > As for your "tech n00b" lectures, I managed to handle advanced naval > radar systems back when you were likely still in short trousers. > > Feel free to keep screaming at the clouds, but do try to stick to facts > next time! Gremlin feels the need to make up stories about others -- putting them down, and about himself -- propping himself up. He tells the most amazing whoppers to try to make himself look better to others, but more importantly to himself. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 22:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n88untFsjo1U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #183750 |
On 02/06/2026 17:14, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Jun 2, 2026 at 1:59:32 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote > <n87kbkFm6lrU1@mid.individual.net>: > >> On 02/06/2026 04:37, Gremlin wrote: >>> "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> news:n7ug66F8n7lU1@mid.individual.net >>> Fri, 29 May 2026 21:53:10 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: >>> >>>> On 29/05/2026 22:19, pothead wrote: >>>>> If you are interested in bits and bytes left around after a removal of >>>>> a program you will have a field day with Windows and the registry. >>>>> Happy hunting. >>>> >>>> That's all behind me now. I cut my teeth on Windows 3.1 and have used >>>> nearly all the Microsoft operating systems up to Windows 10. >>> >>> Yet you remain for all intents and purposes, a tech n00b. In all that time, >>> you have less technical working knowledge of how the machine in front of you >>> works than Snit. >>> That is NOT something you should be proud of. You have done as poorly with >>> tech as you did flying. It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your >>> computers in like you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for >>> gross incompetence, too. You were deemed a danger to yourself, your own >>> people and your own gear. The enemy would have nothing to fear from you. >> >> "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote: >>> It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your computers in like >>> you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for gross >>> incompetence, too. >> >> Your imagination is running wild again, Dustin. >> >> My 1969 naval flying logbook records the standard, administrative >> "Suspended from Flying Training. Flying Badge Removed" stamp from the >> Naval Aircrew Advisory Board. It was standard service practice, not a >> dramatic court-martial for "gross incompetence." >> >> Here's another copy, to save you 'digging back':- >> >> https://i.ibb.co/3mkhnC3Q/Flying-Log-Book.jpg >> >> I went on to serve in the Royal Navy for over 20 years, specialised in >> air traffic control, was promoted to Lieutenant Commander, and chose >> early retirement in 1983. (Under the 1981 Defence Review) >> >> As for your "tech n00b" lectures, I managed to handle advanced naval >> radar systems back when you were likely still in short trousers. >> >> Feel free to keep screaming at the clouds, but do try to stick to facts >> next time! > > Gremlin feels the need to make up stories about others -- putting them down, > and about himself -- propping himself up. He tells the most amazing whoppers > to try to make himself look better to others, but more importantly to himself. Nowadays, tradesmen are "the salt of the earth". He should be proud of all he has achieved. -- Kind regards, David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 21:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a1f458e$0$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #183753 |
On Jun 2, 2026 at 2:02:53 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n88untFsjo1U2@mid.individual.net>: > On 02/06/2026 17:14, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Jun 2, 2026 at 1:59:32 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote >> <n87kbkFm6lrU1@mid.individual.net>: >> >>> On 02/06/2026 04:37, Gremlin wrote: >>>> "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> news:n7ug66F8n7lU1@mid.individual.net >>>> Fri, 29 May 2026 21:53:10 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 29/05/2026 22:19, pothead wrote: >>>>>> If you are interested in bits and bytes left around after a removal of >>>>>> a program you will have a field day with Windows and the registry. >>>>>> Happy hunting. >>>>> >>>>> That's all behind me now. I cut my teeth on Windows 3.1 and have used >>>>> nearly all the Microsoft operating systems up to Windows 10. >>>> >>>> Yet you remain for all intents and purposes, a tech n00b. In all that time, >>>> you have less technical working knowledge of how the machine in front of you >>>> works than Snit. >>>> That is NOT something you should be proud of. You have done as poorly with >>>> tech as you did flying. It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your >>>> computers in like you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for >>>> gross incompetence, too. You were deemed a danger to yourself, your own >>>> people and your own gear. The enemy would have nothing to fear from you. >>> >>> "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote: >>>> It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your computers in like >>>> you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for gross >>>> incompetence, too. >>> >>> Your imagination is running wild again, Dustin. >>> >>> My 1969 naval flying logbook records the standard, administrative >>> "Suspended from Flying Training. Flying Badge Removed" stamp from the >>> Naval Aircrew Advisory Board. It was standard service practice, not a >>> dramatic court-martial for "gross incompetence." >>> >>> Here's another copy, to save you 'digging back':- >>> >>> https://i.ibb.co/3mkhnC3Q/Flying-Log-Book.jpg >>> >>> I went on to serve in the Royal Navy for over 20 years, specialised in >>> air traffic control, was promoted to Lieutenant Commander, and chose >>> early retirement in 1983. (Under the 1981 Defence Review) >>> >>> As for your "tech n00b" lectures, I managed to handle advanced naval >>> radar systems back when you were likely still in short trousers. >>> >>> Feel free to keep screaming at the clouds, but do try to stick to facts >>> next time! >> >> Gremlin feels the need to make up stories about others -- putting them down, >> and about himself -- propping himself up. He tells the most amazing whoppers >> to try to make himself look better to others, but more importantly to himself. > > Nowadays, tradesmen are "the salt of the earth". > > He should be proud of all he has achieved. Of his work -- maybe. I do not know much about it. Of his online behavior he should be deeply ashamed... and seek help for the insecurity he advertises. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 22:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10vnl4h$38bch$1@pothead.dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #183753 |
On 2026-06-02, David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote: > On 02/06/2026 17:14, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Jun 2, 2026 at 1:59:32 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote >> <n87kbkFm6lrU1@mid.individual.net>: >> >>> On 02/06/2026 04:37, Gremlin wrote: >>>> "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> news:n7ug66F8n7lU1@mid.individual.net >>>> Fri, 29 May 2026 21:53:10 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 29/05/2026 22:19, pothead wrote: >>>>>> If you are interested in bits and bytes left around after a removal of >>>>>> a program you will have a field day with Windows and the registry. >>>>>> Happy hunting. >>>>> >>>>> That's all behind me now. I cut my teeth on Windows 3.1 and have used >>>>> nearly all the Microsoft operating systems up to Windows 10. >>>> >>>> Yet you remain for all intents and purposes, a tech n00b. In all that time, >>>> you have less technical working knowledge of how the machine in front of you >>>> works than Snit. >>>> That is NOT something you should be proud of. You have done as poorly with >>>> tech as you did flying. It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your >>>> computers in like you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for >>>> gross incompetence, too. You were deemed a danger to yourself, your own >>>> people and your own gear. The enemy would have nothing to fear from you. >>> >>> "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote: >>>> It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your computers in like >>>> you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for gross >>>> incompetence, too. >>> >>> Your imagination is running wild again, Dustin. >>> >>> My 1969 naval flying logbook records the standard, administrative >>> "Suspended from Flying Training. Flying Badge Removed" stamp from the >>> Naval Aircrew Advisory Board. It was standard service practice, not a >>> dramatic court-martial for "gross incompetence." >>> >>> Here's another copy, to save you 'digging back':- >>> >>> https://i.ibb.co/3mkhnC3Q/Flying-Log-Book.jpg >>> >>> I went on to serve in the Royal Navy for over 20 years, specialised in >>> air traffic control, was promoted to Lieutenant Commander, and chose >>> early retirement in 1983. (Under the 1981 Defence Review) >>> >>> As for your "tech n00b" lectures, I managed to handle advanced naval >>> radar systems back when you were likely still in short trousers. >>> >>> Feel free to keep screaming at the clouds, but do try to stick to facts >>> next time! >> >> Gremlin feels the need to make up stories about others -- putting them down, >> and about himself -- propping himself up. He tells the most amazing whoppers >> to try to make himself look better to others, but more importantly to himself. > > Nowadays, tradesmen are "the salt of the earth". > > He should be proud of all he has achieved. Indeed. A Harvard degree in gender studies is 100% useless and the $100k or more that the student is left in debt, in the USA, makes it even worse. Study something you have to physically touch. The tech installing a major network in a large company is worth a heck of a lot more than the network architect designing the system and who probably resides in some 3rd world country. And AI will replace that person soon. The trades are extremely lucrative especially now that the boomer generation is aging and needs help doing things that maybe they were able to do in the past. I also applaud the current administration for digging into welfare/public assistance fraud both at the "factory level" and down to the individuals claiming checks each month who do not deserve them. Those people are leeches, parasites, milking the system and when taken as a whole, scam the taxpayers for a massive amount of money that could go to help pay for those who truly deserve the government help as many do. In the USA waste is extreme and needs to be stopped even if it is one parasite at a time. -- pothead "Often imitated, never duplicated." "Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -- Winston Churchill
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 00:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6a1f77f0$1$44102$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
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On Jun 2, 2026 at 3:23:13 PM MST, "pothead" wrote <10vnl4h$38bch$1@pothead.dont-email.me>: > On 2026-06-02, David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote: >> On 02/06/2026 17:14, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> On Jun 2, 2026 at 1:59:32 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote >>> <n87kbkFm6lrU1@mid.individual.net>: >>> >>>> On 02/06/2026 04:37, Gremlin wrote: >>>>> "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> news:n7ug66F8n7lU1@mid.individual.net >>>>> Fri, 29 May 2026 21:53:10 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 29/05/2026 22:19, pothead wrote: >>>>>>> If you are interested in bits and bytes left around after a removal of >>>>>>> a program you will have a field day with Windows and the registry. >>>>>>> Happy hunting. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's all behind me now. I cut my teeth on Windows 3.1 and have used >>>>>> nearly all the Microsoft operating systems up to Windows 10. >>>>> >>>>> Yet you remain for all intents and purposes, a tech n00b. In all that time, >>>>> you have less technical working knowledge of how the machine in front of you >>>>> works than Snit. >>>>> That is NOT something you should be proud of. You have done as poorly with >>>>> tech as you did flying. It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your >>>>> computers in like you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for >>>>> gross incompetence, too. You were deemed a danger to yourself, your own >>>>> people and your own gear. The enemy would have nothing to fear from you. >>>> >>>> "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote: >>>>> It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your computers in like >>>>> you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for gross >>>>> incompetence, too. >>>> >>>> Your imagination is running wild again, Dustin. >>>> >>>> My 1969 naval flying logbook records the standard, administrative >>>> "Suspended from Flying Training. Flying Badge Removed" stamp from the >>>> Naval Aircrew Advisory Board. It was standard service practice, not a >>>> dramatic court-martial for "gross incompetence." >>>> >>>> Here's another copy, to save you 'digging back':- >>>> >>>> https://i.ibb.co/3mkhnC3Q/Flying-Log-Book.jpg >>>> >>>> I went on to serve in the Royal Navy for over 20 years, specialised in >>>> air traffic control, was promoted to Lieutenant Commander, and chose >>>> early retirement in 1983. (Under the 1981 Defence Review) >>>> >>>> As for your "tech n00b" lectures, I managed to handle advanced naval >>>> radar systems back when you were likely still in short trousers. >>>> >>>> Feel free to keep screaming at the clouds, but do try to stick to facts >>>> next time! >>> >>> Gremlin feels the need to make up stories about others -- putting them down, >>> and about himself -- propping himself up. He tells the most amazing whoppers >>> to try to make himself look better to others, but more importantly to himself. >> >> Nowadays, tradesmen are "the salt of the earth". >> >> He should be proud of all he has achieved. > > Indeed. > A Harvard degree in gender studies is 100% useless and the $100k or more > that the student is left in debt, in the USA, makes it even worse. > > Study something you have to physically touch. > The tech installing a major network in a large company is worth a heck of > a lot more than the network architect designing the system and who probably > resides in some 3rd world country. > And AI will replace that person soon. > > The trades are extremely lucrative especially now that the boomer generation > is aging and needs help doing things that maybe they were able to do in the > past. > > I also applaud the current administration for digging into welfare/public > assistance fraud both at the "factory level" and down to the individuals > claiming checks each month who do not deserve them. > Those people are leeches, parasites, milking the system and when taken > as a whole, scam the taxpayers for a massive amount of money that could > go to help pay for those who truly deserve the government help as many do. > > In the USA waste is extreme and needs to be stopped even if it is > one parasite at a time. You back white supremacist filth. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 08:51 +0100 |
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On 02/06/2026 23:23, pothead wrote: > On 2026-06-02, David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote: >> On 02/06/2026 17:14, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> On Jun 2, 2026 at 1:59:32 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote >>> <n87kbkFm6lrU1@mid.individual.net>: >>> >>>> On 02/06/2026 04:37, Gremlin wrote: >>>>> "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> news:n7ug66F8n7lU1@mid.individual.net >>>>> Fri, 29 May 2026 21:53:10 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 29/05/2026 22:19, pothead wrote: >>>>>>> If you are interested in bits and bytes left around after a removal of >>>>>>> a program you will have a field day with Windows and the registry. >>>>>>> Happy hunting. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's all behind me now. I cut my teeth on Windows 3.1 and have used >>>>>> nearly all the Microsoft operating systems up to Windows 10. >>>>> >>>>> Yet you remain for all intents and purposes, a tech n00b. In all that time, >>>>> you have less technical working knowledge of how the machine in front of you >>>>> works than Snit. >>>>> That is NOT something you should be proud of. You have done as poorly with >>>>> tech as you did flying. It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your >>>>> computers in like you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for >>>>> gross incompetence, too. You were deemed a danger to yourself, your own >>>>> people and your own gear. The enemy would have nothing to fear from you. >>>> >>>> "Gremlin" <nobody@haph.org> wrote: >>>>> It's a shame you can't be forced to turn your computers in like >>>>> you did your pilots wings. You had to turn those in for gross >>>>> incompetence, too. >>>> >>>> Your imagination is running wild again, Dustin. >>>> >>>> My 1969 naval flying logbook records the standard, administrative >>>> "Suspended from Flying Training. Flying Badge Removed" stamp from the >>>> Naval Aircrew Advisory Board. It was standard service practice, not a >>>> dramatic court-martial for "gross incompetence." >>>> >>>> Here's another copy, to save you 'digging back':- >>>> >>>> https://i.ibb.co/3mkhnC3Q/Flying-Log-Book.jpg >>>> >>>> I went on to serve in the Royal Navy for over 20 years, specialised in >>>> air traffic control, was promoted to Lieutenant Commander, and chose >>>> early retirement in 1983. (Under the 1981 Defence Review) >>>> >>>> As for your "tech n00b" lectures, I managed to handle advanced naval >>>> radar systems back when you were likely still in short trousers. >>>> >>>> Feel free to keep screaming at the clouds, but do try to stick to facts >>>> next time! >>> >>> Gremlin feels the need to make up stories about others -- putting them down, >>> and about himself -- propping himself up. He tells the most amazing whoppers >>> to try to make himself look better to others, but more importantly to himself. >> >> Nowadays, tradesmen are "the salt of the earth". >> >> He should be proud of all he has achieved. > > Indeed. > A Harvard degree in gender studies is 100% useless and the $100k or more > that the student is left in debt, in the USA, makes it even worse. > > Study something you have to physically touch. > The tech installing a major network in a large company is worth a heck of > a lot more than the network architect designing the system and who probably > resides in some 3rd world country. > And AI will replace that person soon. > > The trades are extremely lucrative especially now that the boomer generation > is aging and needs help doing things that maybe they were able to do in the past. > > I also applaud the current administration for digging into welfare/public > assistance fraud both at the "factory level" and down to the individuals > claiming checks each month who do not deserve them. > Those people are leeches, parasites, milking the system and when taken > as a whole, scam the taxpayers for a massive amount of money that could > go to help pay for those who truly deserve the government help as many do. > > In the USA waste is extreme and needs to be stopped even if it is > one parasite at a time. I support all you have said above. It's exactly the same in the UK. -- Kind regards, David
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