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Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck

From "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org>
Newsgroups alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck
Date 2026-06-03 17:01 +0100
Organization Retired
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On 03/06/2026 16:45, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> On Jun 3, 2026 at 12:46:12 AM MST, "David B." wrote
> <6a1fdbc4$1$55442$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>> Yes. And then you realized you were in error and apologized.
>>> A claim you have not shown and previously admitted was in error.
>>
>> You are confusing a precise technical clarification about timing with an
>> admission of error, Michael.
>>
>> Clarifying that the binary is written to /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/
> 
> Please show a screenshot backing this.

On Jun 3, 2026, Brock McNuggets wrote:
 > You have yet to give any actual concern with that file or show a 
screenshot of
 > it being in the System folder. If you drag the Bundle to the trash it is
 > deleted.

Moving the goalposts won't save your argument, Michael. First you 
claimed the file didn't exist at all. Now that I’ve proven it exists and 
executed it, you claim dragging the bundle to the Trash deletes everything.

That is fundamentally, text-book wrong.

Dragging an application bundle from /Applications/ to the Trash deletes 
ONLY the bundle itself. It does NOT—and inherently cannot—clean up files 
that have been escalated to the root system folder 
(/Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/).

A standard user space action like dragging an icon to the Trash does not 
possess the root-level privileges required to modify or delete files 
inside protected root system directories. Apple specifically designed 
the Finder to prevent standard user actions from altering the root 
directory.

As we already established earlier in this thread, the storageHelper 
inside the bundle is the blueprint. The moment a user runs the advanced 
drive benchmark and authenticates the administrator prompt, macOS uses 
the system APIs to install a persistent copy into:

/Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/

If you drag EtreCheckPro to the Trash after that, the root-owned system 
binary remains left behind silently in the root folder. That is the 
literal definition of an "orphaned privileged helper."

Since you claim dragging the bundle deletes it all, please explain the 
magic mechanism by which the user-space Finder deletes a root-owned 
binary inside a protected system directory without asking the user for 
an administrator password. I’ll wait.

-- 
Kind regards,
David

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macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-05-27 15:03 +0100
  Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 14:29 +0000
    Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-05-27 15:15 +0000
      Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 15:34 +0000
    Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-05-27 18:34 +0100
      Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 20:00 +0000
        Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-05-27 23:36 +0100
          Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 23:33 +0000
    Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-05-28 12:48 +0100
  Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 20:31 +0000
    Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-05-27 23:42 +0100
      Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 23:39 +0000
        Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-05-28 08:48 +0100
          Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 12:26 +0000
            Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-02 10:51 +0000
              Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 16:13 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-02 21:58 +0100
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 21:03 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-02 21:21 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 21:46 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-02 21:57 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 00:35 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-03 07:46 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 14:02 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-03 14:54 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 15:43 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-03 16:00 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 19:06 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-03 19:40 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 19:48 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-03 19:58 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 23:53 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-04 08:08 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 13:53 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-04 14:32 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 14:47 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-04 15:05 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 16:20 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 20:07 +0100
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 19:16 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 21:59 +0100
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 21:15 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 22:38 +0100
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 22:28 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 22:50 +0100
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 22:27 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 23:34 +0100
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 22:57 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 15:45 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-03 17:01 +0100
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 19:06 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck David B. <boaterdave@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-06-03 19:46 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 19:49 +0000
  Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-02 09:59 +0100
    Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 16:14 +0000
      Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-02 22:02 +0100
        Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 21:05 +0000
        Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-06-02 22:23 +0000
          Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 00:40 +0000
          Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-03 08:51 +0100
            Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 14:02 +0000
      Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-06-03 20:22 +0000
        Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 23:45 +0000
    Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-06-03 20:22 +0000
      Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 23:45 +0000
        Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 08:31 +0100
          Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 13:56 +0000
            Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 15:59 +0100
              Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 16:06 +0000
              Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-06-05 03:42 +0000
                Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-05 03:59 +0000
      Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> - 2026-06-04 08:26 +0100
        Re: macOS Technical Note: Privileged Helpers, dragging to Trash, and EtreCheck Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-06-04 13:57 +0000

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