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  Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-19 12:02 -0500
    Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-19 13:51 -0500
      Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-20 10:22 -0500
        Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-20 13:16 -0500
          Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-20 13:52 -0500
          Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-20 19:11 -0500
      Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-21 15:19 -0500
        Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-22 09:53 -0500
          Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-24 11:13 -0500
      Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-15 12:24 -0600
        Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-16 14:53 -0600
          Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-17 14:35 -0600
          Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-17 21:54 -0600
            Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-18 11:15 -0600
              Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-18 11:40 -0600
    Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-22 12:19 -0400
      Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutter Freak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-24 07:27 -0700
    Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-25 11:30 -0500
      Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-27 10:35 -0500
        Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-03 22:35 -0500
          Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-08 12:52 -0600
            Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-08 14:57 -0800
              Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-08 17:25 -0600
                Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-08 16:52 -0800
                  Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-08 19:40 -0600
                    Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-08 20:58 -0800
                      Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-09 00:05 -0600
                Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-08 23:10 -0500
                  Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-08 20:59 -0800
                  Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-08 23:44 -0600
                    Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-09 00:08 -0600
                    Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 03:42 -0800
                      Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-09 08:59 -0600
                      Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 13:25 -0800
              Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 22:15 -0800
                Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-10 10:32 -0600
            Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 09:32 -0600
              Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 10:08 -0600
                Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-10 12:23 -0600
        Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-05 13:17 -0500
          Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-07 12:05 -0600
            Everybody who could do something quit in disgust. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-11-07 15:14 -0800
            Your Analytics Compartments :-) Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-11-07 15:45 -0800
          Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 12:27 -0600
            Get "woke", go broke. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-11-09 15:14 -0800
              Re: Get "woke", go broke. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-11-09 20:05 -0500
                Re: Get "woke", go broke. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-11-10 07:46 -0600

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#835320

On 11/3/2021 10:35 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
> On 10/27/2021 10:35 AM, Clutterfreak wrote:
>> Coexistence is of course best achieved by trade in which both sides 
>> _fairly_ benefit. That's the approach that MH takes and that's the 
>> approach that you see in history all modern human took.
> 
> 
> The Mongol onslaught on MH, a case of MH war on MH, was an exception in 
> which both sides were taking the correct approach! I will discuss it 
> later in detail.
> 


Ok let me explain that important matter now quickly.

Very fast, Mongols didn't aim to ravage every sign of civilization and 
life anywhere that they happened to move to. They were totally pragmatic 
people and didn't have time for anger or greed or whim, etc. Indeed they 
offered some of the best examples of MH inside and out, and what they 
did was not the result of stupidity or malice, but absolute necessity. 
That's why it happened!

The gist of the matter was that they had, for the first time in history, 
created a too large of a "city" that still relied totally on their mode 
of life :-) It was the first (and last) in history. They were almost 
100% people who lived on livestock. There's a limit for the size of such 
things because these livestock must eat. When such "cities" grew in size 
to a point that there were no grass and grain in the area to feed them, 
the entire "city" had to begin to move!

These "moving cities" were as large or often larger than usual 
stationary and still cities we're all familiar with, and Mongols lived 
inside it, married inside it, gave birth in it, everything, while 
constantly moving. They couldn't even stay 24 hours in one place cause 
some of their livestock would starve to death, so they moved perpetually 
throughout hours and days and years. They lived while constantly moving 
toward areas with grass, and soon after all grass was eaten and gone, 
the city was also gone elsewhere. These "moving cities" never stopped.

The result of this new mode of life, living inside "moving cities", was 
that in the event of a serious war they could not just win the war and 
keep going because enemy would form again behind them very quickly and 
easily.

In conventional wars you defeat your enemy then you establish local 
forces to keep your defeated enemy in check while the rest of your 
forces move forward. Mongols couldn't do that because they didn't have 
anything that could stop and be left behind. Everything had to move 
forward with the rest of the "city".

Therefore after enemy was defeated, they had to also annihilate the 
entire infrastructure, people, any form and manner of equipment and life 
that could be used later to create a resistance to them in their wake. 
It was a necessity, not acts of savagery.

And there were not just one "moving city". There were numerous moving 
cities all carefully distanced from each other so by the time the one 
behind would reach areas once passed by an earlier wave, grass again had 
grown. Even the shape of these cities were calculated accordingly. They 
were boomerang shaped and the angle would change depending on territory 
the city moved through. The front edge to rear edge length of this 
boomerang had its limits cause if too wide the livestock in the rear 
would have nothing to eat. It was some brilliant design Chengiz himself 
had come up with, making such formations at that size and magnitude 
possible for the first time in history. And it was something to see!

The tale of the sight of Mongols moving cities is still on Iranians 
tongues. The wonder, the intricacies, even the smell!... Iranians could 
smell the approaching Mongol cities days in advance. They'd know their 
fates will shortly be met and had ample time to make the most important 
decisions of their lives. Many sided with those who wanted to fight to 
death. The rest were simply slaughtered clean off the face of the area 
where there was a lively city standing before Mongols' arrival.

Now from settled people's point of view, these huge moving cities would 
arrive and devour every form of grass, grain, and food that their 
livestock could eat without asking for permission. Livestock doesn't ask 
for permission. In fact Mongols all the time on approaching a city would 
send messengers in advance to warn the rulers of the city what was 
coming and if they would just stay put until food was finished the 
moving city would keep going away from them without any slaughter. These 
messengers also would tell the settlers that their best horses and 
equipment that could be made to move would also be taken, their entire 
livestock would be taken, and that some of their most beautiful women 
may also be taken. Also all their craftsmen and skilled workers would be 
taken along with them when city would continue moving past what was left 
of their city.

These offers weren't that acceptable, were they. Therefore almost in 
every encounter with a city war would be waged on Mongols on the 
decision and resolve of the settlers. Settlers had to choose between 
absolute ground zero in their lives, left with no food, no horses, no 
livestock; or, they would defend themselves to death. In many many 
cities that Mongols arrived at, the latter proved to be the case, and 
war would break out, and Mongols would win then absolutely everything 
that was left of the city and the citizenry would be destroyed to 
prevent creation of a resisting force.

But why Mongols always won the wars? (Mongols were never defeated)

These Mongols, these moving cities, on approaching Iran's eastern 
borders carried with them 20 years of accumulated experience, know-how, 
equipment, skilled men, warriors, designers, leaders, commanders, 
soldiers, and everything else that was required in a new war. It was not 
a force made of one people and something particular to them only. It was 
the aggregate of _everything_ in the art of war that people from 
Mongolia, China, and three other major central Asian civilizations had 
supplied them with. Mongols were already strong enough when they had 
defeated China 20 years earlier; just guess what they'd turned into when 
they approached Iran. Therefore by this time, nobody in the world, no 
fighting power in existence anywhere could defeat them. That's what Iran 
faced...

Mongols knew that! And Iranians knew that! So for settlers it was all a 
matter of fighting to absolute annihilation, or staying aside and let 
this gigantic moving city pass through and take every god damn thing 
with it, reducing them to nothing but empty houses, old useless men and 
women and the sick and mentally defective. They even took all teenagers 
with them to train them they way they needed. Very very few cities or 
towns accepted Mongols terms. So destruction was indeed absolute and 
thorough.

Iran to this day is recovering from it. China is just finishing the last 
stages of recovery from it. Korea is recovering from it fast. This 
thing, this Mongol phenomena, even today 800 years after, is an ongoing 
matter that's being dealt with. And nobody in it can be pointed fingers 
at. Mongols had to do what was right and had no other choice but doing 
what they did, and settlers had to do what they deemed right and 
honorable to do.

It was a case of MH waging war against MH while both sides were correct 
in their approaches. It was nothing like WWI or WWII or all these wars 
fought by CH where ingrained stupidity is at the center. It was an 
eyeopening example of how MH never engages in war unless it is 
absolutely the correct approach in action.

Must go walking now.

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#835334

On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote:
> On 11/3/2021 10:35 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: 
> > On 10/27/2021 10:35 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: 
> >> Coexistence is of course best achieved by trade in which both sides 
> >> _fairly_ benefit. That's the approach that MH takes and that's the 
> >> approach that you see in history all modern human took. 
> > 
> > 
> > The Mongol onslaught on MH, a case of MH war on MH, was an exception in 
> > which both sides were taking the correct approach! I will discuss it 
> > later in detail. 
> >
> Ok let me explain that important matter now quickly. 
> 
> Very fast, Mongols didn't aim to ravage every sign of civilization and 
> life anywhere that they happened to move to. They were totally pragmatic 
> people and didn't have time for anger or greed or whim, etc. Indeed they 
> offered some of the best examples of MH inside and out, and what they 
> did was not the result of stupidity or malice, but absolute necessity. 
> That's why it happened! 
> 
> The gist of the matter was that they had, for the first time in history, 
> created a too large of a "city" that still relied totally on their mode 
> of life :-) It was the first (and last) in history. They were almost 
> 100% people who lived on livestock. There's a limit for the size of such 
> things because these livestock must eat. When such "cities" grew in size 
> to a point that there were no grass and grain in the area to feed them, 
> the entire "city" had to begin to move! 
> 
> These "moving cities" were as large or often larger than usual 
> stationary and still cities we're all familiar with, and Mongols lived 
> inside it, married inside it, gave birth in it, everything, while 
> constantly moving. They couldn't even stay 24 hours in one place cause 
> some of their livestock would starve to death, so they moved perpetually 
> throughout hours and days and years. They lived while constantly moving 
> toward areas with grass, and soon after all grass was eaten and gone, 
> the city was also gone elsewhere. These "moving cities" never stopped. 
> 
> The result of this new mode of life, living inside "moving cities", was 
> that in the event of a serious war they could not just win the war and 
> keep going because enemy would form again behind them very quickly and 
> easily. 
> 
> In conventional wars you defeat your enemy then you establish local 
> forces to keep your defeated enemy in check while the rest of your 
> forces move forward. Mongols couldn't do that because they didn't have 
> anything that could stop and be left behind. Everything had to move 
> forward with the rest of the "city". 
> 
> Therefore after enemy was defeated, they had to also annihilate the 
> entire infrastructure, people, any form and manner of equipment and life 
> that could be used later to create a resistance to them in their wake. 
> It was a necessity, not acts of savagery. 
> 
> And there were not just one "moving city". There were numerous moving 
> cities all carefully distanced from each other so by the time the one 
> behind would reach areas once passed by an earlier wave, grass again had 
> grown. Even the shape of these cities were calculated accordingly. They 
> were boomerang shaped and the angle would change depending on territory 
> the city moved through. The front edge to rear edge length of this 
> boomerang had its limits cause if too wide the livestock in the rear 
> would have nothing to eat. It was some brilliant design Chengiz himself 
> had come up with, making such formations at that size and magnitude 
> possible for the first time in history. And it was something to see! 
> 
> The tale of the sight of Mongols moving cities is still on Iranians 
> tongues. The wonder, the intricacies, even the smell!... Iranians could 
> smell the approaching Mongol cities days in advance. They'd know their 
> fates will shortly be met and had ample time to make the most important 
> decisions of their lives. Many sided with those who wanted to fight to 
> death. The rest were simply slaughtered clean off the face of the area 
> where there was a lively city standing before Mongols' arrival. 
> 
> Now from settled people's point of view, these huge moving cities would 
> arrive and devour every form of grass, grain, and food that their 
> livestock could eat without asking for permission. Livestock doesn't ask 
> for permission. In fact Mongols all the time on approaching a city would 
> send messengers in advance to warn the rulers of the city what was 
> coming and if they would just stay put until food was finished the 
> moving city would keep going away from them without any slaughter. These 
> messengers also would tell the settlers that their best horses and 
> equipment that could be made to move would also be taken, their entire 
> livestock would be taken, and that some of their most beautiful women 
> may also be taken. Also all their craftsmen and skilled workers would be 
> taken along with them when city would continue moving past what was left 
> of their city. 
> 
> These offers weren't that acceptable, were they. Therefore almost in 
> every encounter with a city war would be waged on Mongols on the 
> decision and resolve of the settlers. Settlers had to choose between 
> absolute ground zero in their lives, left with no food, no horses, no 
> livestock; or, they would defend themselves to death. In many many 
> cities that Mongols arrived at, the latter proved to be the case, and 
> war would break out, and Mongols would win then absolutely everything 
> that was left of the city and the citizenry would be destroyed to 
> prevent creation of a resisting force. 
> 
> But why Mongols always won the wars? (Mongols were never defeated) 
> 
> These Mongols, these moving cities, on approaching Iran's eastern 
> borders carried with them 20 years of accumulated experience, know-how, 
> equipment, skilled men, warriors, designers, leaders, commanders, 
> soldiers, and everything else that was required in a new war. It was not 
> a force made of one people and something particular to them only. It was 
> the aggregate of _everything_ in the art of war that people from 
> Mongolia, China, and three other major central Asian civilizations had 
> supplied them with. Mongols were already strong enough when they had 
> defeated China 20 years earlier; just guess what they'd turned into when 
> they approached Iran. Therefore by this time, nobody in the world, no 
> fighting power in existence anywhere could defeat them. That's what Iran 
> faced... 
> 
> Mongols knew that! And Iranians knew that! So for settlers it was all a 
> matter of fighting to absolute annihilation, or staying aside and let 
> this gigantic moving city pass through and take every god damn thing 
> with it, reducing them to nothing but empty houses, old useless men and 
> women and the sick and mentally defective. They even took all teenagers 
> with them to train them they way they needed. Very very few cities or 
> towns accepted Mongols terms. So destruction was indeed absolute and 
> thorough. 
> 
> Iran to this day is recovering from it. China is just finishing the last 
> stages of recovery from it. Korea is recovering from it fast. This 
> thing, this Mongol phenomena, even today 800 years after, is an ongoing 
> matter that's being dealt with. And nobody in it can be pointed fingers 
> at. Mongols had to do what was right and had no other choice but doing 
> what they did, and settlers had to do what they deemed right and 
> honorable to do. 
> 
> It was a case of MH waging war against MH while both sides were correct 
> in their approaches. It was nothing like WWI or WWII or all these wars 
> fought by CH where ingrained stupidity is at the center. It was an 
> eyeopening example of how MH never engages in war unless it is 
> absolutely the correct approach in action. 
> 
> Must go walking now.
> -- 
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus

With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong.

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#835335

On 11/8/2021 4:57 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote:


[...]

>> Must go walking now.
>> -- 
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> 
> With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong.

There is a problem with your logic. Nothing has exceeded the success of
the lowly cockroach. Humans, including Hindus, will never match the
cockroach for success. You cannot find an example, because legitimate
examples for this paradigm do not survive long enough to be noticed.

Indeed, the cockroach should be respected for its success. In a 
relatively short time it has become immune to most insecticides.

I don't comment on clutter freak's thesis because he's generally boring
and very often wrong so I stopped reading his tidbits some time back.

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#835336

On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 10:25:43 UTC+11, whodat wrote:
> On 11/8/2021 4:57 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote:
> [...]
> >> Must go walking now. 
> >> -- 
> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus 
> > 
> > With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong.
> There is a problem with your logic. Nothing has exceeded the success of 
> the lowly cockroach. Humans, including Hindus, will never match the 
> cockroach for success. You cannot find an example, because legitimate 
> examples for this paradigm do not survive long enough to be noticed. 
> 
> Indeed, the cockroach should be respected for its success. In a 
> relatively short time it has become immune to most insecticides. 
> 
> I don't comment on clutter freak's thesis because he's generally boring 
> and very often wrong so I stopped reading his tidbits some time back.,

Who so wrong as you, whodumbo?
But wrong leads to right. The wrongs of Mongols blasted the European Dark Ages and led to their present eminence. They were stuck in feudalism and superstition. The Renaissance would not have happened without the Mongols. Genghis Khan's use of gunpowder was adopted by the Europeans making them the most powerful international grabbers. Grab led to engineering prowess and wealth. Some of that, I have. Right, what.
The  Einsteinian wrongs, Poosics that is, will lead to my updated Physics.
Good!

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#835337

On 11/8/2021 6:52 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 10:25:43 UTC+11, whodat wrote:
>> On 11/8/2021 4:57 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> Must go walking now.
>>>> -- 
>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>
>>> With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong.
>> There is a problem with your logic. Nothing has exceeded the success of
>> the lowly cockroach. Humans, including Hindus, will never match the
>> cockroach for success. You cannot find an example, because legitimate
>> examples for this paradigm do not survive long enough to be noticed.
>>
>> Indeed, the cockroach should be respected for its success. In a
>> relatively short time it has become immune to most insecticides.
>>
>> I don't comment on clutter freak's thesis because he's generally boring
>> and very often wrong so I stopped reading his tidbits some time back.,
> 
> Who so wrong as you, whodumbo?

For some reason you edited out "Humans, including Hindus, will never
match the cockroach for success. You cannot find an example, because
legitimate examples for this paradigm do not survive long enough to be
noticed."

So tell me, in a competition with cockroaches, how will Hindus fare?

Now tell us what else I wrote above is so wrong as to support this new
thesis of yours stated as, "who is so wrong as you, whodumbo?"

This petty attack of yours lacks foundation, leaving only personal
animus that grows out of what, banjo boy, your failures at understanding
the realities of physics?

> But wrong leads to right.

I'd be glad to hear a rational explanation for this thesis of yours.

> The wrongs of Mongols blasted the European Dark Ages and led to their 
> present eminence. 

So the only place you do not believe that action-reaction rules is in
physics, but it is valid in every other realm?

> They were stuck in feudalism and superstition. 

Feudalism lasted in mainland Europe until the period of 1848-1849 when
new ideas regarding taxation made it obsolete. It lasted longer in
Russia. Try reading Gogol's "dead souls."

The Renaissance would not have happened without the Mongols.

Real(tm) scholars credit several other factors for the emergence of
Europe from the dark ages, including events related to the Ottoman
Turks and events in the middle east unrelated to the mongols.

> Genghis Khan's use of gunpowder was adopted by the Europeans making 
> them the most powerful international grabbers. 

So the students exceeded their masters? There's good reason for
Europeans calling it "the backwards east" even today. Your people only
copy, they don't seem to create anything new.

> Grab led to engineering prowess and wealth. Some of that, I have. Right, what.

That's the delusional part of you.

> The  Einsteinian wrongs, Poosics that is, will lead to my updated Physics.
> Good!

I'll be among the first to acknowledge your success, once you make that
armature to be driven uphill by your so-called "internal force engine."

You will win over everyone when you do that. Not before. If your engine
works as advertised, it should be easy to achieve. So why have you not
done it? I urge you to prove me wrong in my criticism of you. It would
truly be wonderful if you could succeed.

Everyone is waiting!!!!!!

President Harry Truman said, "Show me a man that gets rich by being a
politician, and I'll show you a crook."

So far you've only been a politician, all mouth. It is clear you're not
rich. It is clear you aren't successful. Change that, please. Get rich
by proving success.

Everyone is waiting.

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#835339

On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 12:40:39 UTC+11, whodat wrote:
> On 11/8/2021 6:52 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 10:25:43 UTC+11, whodat wrote: 
> >> On 11/8/2021 4:57 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: 
> >>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote: 
> >> [...] 
> >>>> Must go walking now. 
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
> >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus 
> >>> 
> >>> With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong. 
> >> There is a problem with your logic. Nothing has exceeded the success of 
> >> the lowly cockroach. Humans, including Hindus, will never match the 
> >> cockroach for success. 

Okay, I grant you and the Clutterfreak be reborn as cockroaches in your next life.
You will be farmed on islands, fed all the horrid waste stuff.
Then your residences will be shaken, so that you fall into a pond filled with fish.
Who is successful, you and C*, or the Chinese who invented the above rotten food to good food transform via useful roaches?

You cannot find an example, because legitimate 
> >> examples for this paradigm do not survive long enough to be noticed. 

Question is not how long your species has survived, but how well you are doing. If you are doing well your are a success.
> >> 
> >> Indeed, the cockroach should be respected for its success. In a 
> >> relatively short time it has become immune to most insecticides. 
> >> 
> >> I don't comment on clutter freak's thesis because he's generally boring 
> >> and very often wrong so I stopped reading his tidbits some time back., 
> > 
> > Who so wrong as you, whodumbo?
> For some reason you edited out "Humans, including Hindus, will never
> match the cockroach for success. You cannot find an example, because 
> legitimate examples for this paradigm do not survive long enough to be 
> noticed."

Wrong as ever, the whodumbo. Cockroaches are not successful as say orcas, giant otters, wolverines, and humans. Those at the top of the current food chain, the apex predators are those that are successful.  That way, it must be admitted, teh USAns are the most successful humans in our time.  How does it matter to the cockroaches get swallowed by a fish, that his species is a billion years old?  That did not help, did it.  Those who do not evolve must merely survive.
> So tell me, in a competition with cockroaches, how will Hindus fare? 
> 
> Now tell us what else I wrote above is so wrong as to support this new 
> thesis of yours stated as, "who is so wrong as you, whodumbo?" 

We have to go into a bit of history about your badness and wrongness, for that.  I don't bother.

- flush remaining waste matter -

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#835342

On 11/8/2021 10:58 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 12:40:39 UTC+11, whodat wrote:
>> On 11/8/2021 6:52 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 10:25:43 UTC+11, whodat wrote:
>>>> On 11/8/2021 4:57 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Must go walking now.
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>>>
>>>>> With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong.
>>>> There is a problem with your logic. Nothing has exceeded the success of
>>>> the lowly cockroach. Humans, including Hindus, will never match the
>>>> cockroach for success.
> 
> Okay, I grant you and the Clutterfreak be reborn as cockroaches in your next life.
> You will be farmed on islands, fed all the horrid waste stuff.
> Then your residences will be shaken, so that you fall into a pond filled with fish.
> Who is successful, you and C*, or the Chinese who invented the above rotten food to good food transform via useful roaches?
> 
> You cannot find an example, because legitimate

I see how easily you get lost into fictions of your imagination and it
is exactly the same as when you attempt to do math, science, and logic,
where you also get lost in your imagination at the expense of reality.

>>>> examples for this paradigm do not survive long enough to be noticed.
> 
> Question is not how long your species has survived, but how well you 
> are doing. If you are doing well your are a success.

But once again you veer off into imagination. The success of cockroaches 
as a species is quite precisely what was under discussion, not your 
excursions into fantasy.

>>>> Indeed, the cockroach should be respected for its success. In a
>>>> relatively short time it has become immune to most insecticides.
>>>>
>>>> I don't comment on clutter freak's thesis because he's generally boring
>>>> and very often wrong so I stopped reading his tidbits some time back.,
>>>
>>> Who so wrong as you, whodumbo?
>> For some reason you edited out "Humans, including Hindus, will never
>> match the cockroach for success. You cannot find an example, because
>> legitimate examples for this paradigm do not survive long enough to be
>> noticed."

> Wrong as ever, the whodumbo. Cockroaches are not successful as say orcas, 
> giant otters, wolverines, and humans. 

> Those at the top of the current food chain, the apex predators are those 
> that are successful.  

> That way, it must be admitted, teh USAns are the most successful humans 
> in our time.  

> How does it matter to the cockroaches get swallowed by a fish, that his 
> species is a billion years old?  That did not help, did it.  Those who 
> do not evolve must merely survive. 

As always you swing off topic to avoid the point under discussion. It
has a generic description called "moving the goalposts."

>> So tell me, in a competition with cockroaches, how will Hindus fare?

And you ducked this question.

>> Now tell us what else I wrote above is so wrong as to support this new
>> thesis of yours stated as, "who is so wrong as you, whodumbo?"

> We have to go into a bit of history about your badness and wrongness, 
> for that.  I don't bother.

Oh dear oh dear, once again ducking a question. The question is not one
of history, but of future events, yet you attempt to rely on some
unstated history showing once again how pathetic your discussions here
usually are.

> - flush remaining waste matter -

Not much of a "god amongst lotsa devils" today, are you...

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#835338

On 11/8/2021 6:25 PM, whodat wrote:
> On 11/8/2021 4:57 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote:
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> Must go walking now.
>>> -- 
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>
>> With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong.
> 
> There is a problem with your logic. Nothing has exceeded the success of
> the lowly cockroach.

Check out the tardigrade. It can survive boiling, freezing, the vacuum 
of space, 5 major extinction events, etc.

Although a cockroach is a good comparison to Banerjee.

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#835340

On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 15:10:48 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote:

some aggrieved snarls.

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#835341

On 11/8/2021 10:10 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 11/8/2021 6:25 PM, whodat wrote:
>> On 11/8/2021 4:57 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> Must go walking now.
>>>> -- 
>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>
>>> With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong.
>>
>> There is a problem with your logic. Nothing has exceeded the success of
>> the lowly cockroach.
> 
> Check out the tardigrade. It can survive boiling, freezing, the vacuum 
> of space, 5 major extinction events, etc.

Thank you.

> Although a cockroach is a good comparison to Banerjee.

Yes indeed, he does convert shit to shit.

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#835344

On 11/8/2021 11:44 PM, whodat wrote:
> On 11/8/2021 10:10 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 11/8/2021 6:25 PM, whodat wrote:
>>> On 11/8/2021 4:57 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> Must go walking now.
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>>
>>>> With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong.
>>>
>>> There is a problem with your logic. Nothing has exceeded the success of
>>> the lowly cockroach.
>>
>> Check out the tardigrade. It can survive boiling, freezing, the vacuum 
>> of space, 5 major extinction events, etc.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>> Although a cockroach is a good comparison to Banerjee.
> 
> Yes indeed, he does convert shit to shit.

As an afterthought, do you suppose prevagen might help keep him on
topic?

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#835356

On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 16:44:39 UTC+11, whodat wrote:
> On 11/8/2021 10:10 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: 
> > On 11/8/2021 6:25 PM, whodat wrote: 
> >> On 11/8/2021 4:57 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: 
> >>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote: 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> [...] 
> >> 
> >>>> Must go walking now. 
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
> >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus 
> >>> 
> >>> With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong. 
> >> 
> >> There is a problem with your logic. Nothing has exceeded the success of 
> >> the lowly cockroach. 
> > 
> > Check out the tardigrade. It can survive boiling, freezing, the vacuum 
> > of space, 5 major extinction events, etc.
> Thank you.
> > Although a cockroach is a good comparison to Banerjee.
> Yes indeed, he does convert shit to shit.

Did you two finally drown the Dormouse Alsing in the teapot?

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#835360

On 11/9/2021 5:42 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 16:44:39 UTC+11, whodat wrote:
>> On 11/8/2021 10:10 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>> On 11/8/2021 6:25 PM, whodat wrote:
>>>> On 11/8/2021 4:57 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>>> Must go walking now.
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>>>
>>>>> With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong.
>>>>
>>>> There is a problem with your logic. Nothing has exceeded the success of
>>>> the lowly cockroach.
>>>
>>> Check out the tardigrade. It can survive boiling, freezing, the vacuum
>>> of space, 5 major extinction events, etc.
>> Thank you.
>>> Although a cockroach is a good comparison to Banerjee.
>> Yes indeed, he does convert shit to shit.
> 
> Did you two finally drown the Dormouse Alsing in the teapot?

And there it is, reversion to fantasy once more.

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#835380

On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 22:42:21 UTC+11, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 16:44:39 UTC+11, whodat wrote: 
> > On 11/8/2021 10:10 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: 
> > > On 11/8/2021 6:25 PM, whodat wrote: 
> > >> On 11/8/2021 4:57 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: 
> > >>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote: 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> [...] 
> > >> 
> > >>>> Must go walking now. 
> > >>>> -- 
> > >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
> > >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus 
> > >>> 
> > >>> With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong. 
> > >> 
> > >> There is a problem with your logic. Nothing has exceeded the success of 
> > >> the lowly cockroach. 
> > > 
> > > Check out the tardigrade. It can survive boiling, freezing, the vacuum 
> > > of space, 5 major extinction events, etc. 
> > Thank you. 
> > > Although a cockroach is a good comparison to Banerjee. 
> > Yes indeed, he does convert shit to shit.
> Did you two finally drown the Dormouse Alsing in the teapot?
I did hear some squeaks a while ago. 

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#835414

On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 09:57:55 UTC+11, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote: 
> > On 11/3/2021 10:35 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: 
> > > On 10/27/2021 10:35 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: 
> > >> Coexistence is of course best achieved by trade in which both sides 
> > >> _fairly_ benefit. That's the approach that MH takes and that's the 
> > >> approach that you see in history all modern human took. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The Mongol onslaught on MH, a case of MH war on MH, was an exception in 
> > > which both sides were taking the correct approach! I will discuss it 
> > > later in detail. 
> > > 
> > Ok let me explain that important matter now quickly. 
> > 
> > Very fast, Mongols didn't aim to ravage every sign of civilization and 
> > life anywhere that they happened to move to. They were totally pragmatic 
> > people and didn't have time for anger or greed or whim, etc. Indeed they 
> > offered some of the best examples of MH inside and out, and what they 
> > did was not the result of stupidity or malice, but absolute necessity. 
> > That's why it happened! 
> > 
> > The gist of the matter was that they had, for the first time in history, 
> > created a too large of a "city" that still relied totally on their mode 
> > of life :-) It was the first (and last) in history. They were almost 
> > 100% people who lived on livestock. There's a limit for the size of such 
> > things because these livestock must eat. When such "cities" grew in size 
> > to a point that there were no grass and grain in the area to feed them, 
> > the entire "city" had to begin to move! 
> > 
> > These "moving cities" were as large or often larger than usual 
> > stationary and still cities we're all familiar with, and Mongols lived 
> > inside it, married inside it, gave birth in it, everything, while 
> > constantly moving. They couldn't even stay 24 hours in one place cause 
> > some of their livestock would starve to death, so they moved perpetually 
> > throughout hours and days and years. They lived while constantly moving 
> > toward areas with grass, and soon after all grass was eaten and gone, 
> > the city was also gone elsewhere. These "moving cities" never stopped. 
> > 
> > The result of this new mode of life, living inside "moving cities", was 
> > that in the event of a serious war they could not just win the war and 
> > keep going because enemy would form again behind them very quickly and 
> > easily. 
> > 
> > In conventional wars you defeat your enemy then you establish local 
> > forces to keep your defeated enemy in check while the rest of your 
> > forces move forward. Mongols couldn't do that because they didn't have 
> > anything that could stop and be left behind. Everything had to move 
> > forward with the rest of the "city". 
> > 
> > Therefore after enemy was defeated, they had to also annihilate the 
> > entire infrastructure, people, any form and manner of equipment and life 
> > that could be used later to create a resistance to them in their wake. 
> > It was a necessity, not acts of savagery. 
> > 
> > And there were not just one "moving city". There were numerous moving 
> > cities all carefully distanced from each other so by the time the one 
> > behind would reach areas once passed by an earlier wave, grass again had 
> > grown. Even the shape of these cities were calculated accordingly. They 
> > were boomerang shaped and the angle would change depending on territory 
> > the city moved through. The front edge to rear edge length of this 
> > boomerang had its limits cause if too wide the livestock in the rear 
> > would have nothing to eat. It was some brilliant design Chengiz himself 
> > had come up with, making such formations at that size and magnitude 
> > possible for the first time in history. And it was something to see! 
> > 
> > The tale of the sight of Mongols moving cities is still on Iranians 
> > tongues. The wonder, the intricacies, even the smell!... Iranians could 
> > smell the approaching Mongol cities days in advance. They'd know their 
> > fates will shortly be met and had ample time to make the most important 
> > decisions of their lives. Many sided with those who wanted to fight to 
> > death. The rest were simply slaughtered clean off the face of the area 
> > where there was a lively city standing before Mongols' arrival. 
> > 
> > Now from settled people's point of view, these huge moving cities would 
> > arrive and devour every form of grass, grain, and food that their 
> > livestock could eat without asking for permission. Livestock doesn't ask 
> > for permission. In fact Mongols all the time on approaching a city would 
> > send messengers in advance to warn the rulers of the city what was 
> > coming and if they would just stay put until food was finished the 
> > moving city would keep going away from them without any slaughter. These 
> > messengers also would tell the settlers that their best horses and 
> > equipment that could be made to move would also be taken, their entire 
> > livestock would be taken, and that some of their most beautiful women 
> > may also be taken. Also all their craftsmen and skilled workers would be 
> > taken along with them when city would continue moving past what was left 
> > of their city. 
> > 
> > These offers weren't that acceptable, were they. Therefore almost in 
> > every encounter with a city war would be waged on Mongols on the 
> > decision and resolve of the settlers. Settlers had to choose between 
> > absolute ground zero in their lives, left with no food, no horses, no 
> > livestock; or, they would defend themselves to death. In many many 
> > cities that Mongols arrived at, the latter proved to be the case, and 
> > war would break out, and Mongols would win then absolutely everything 
> > that was left of the city and the citizenry would be destroyed to 
> > prevent creation of a resisting force. 
> > 
> > But why Mongols always won the wars? (Mongols were never defeated) 
> > 
> > These Mongols, these moving cities, on approaching Iran's eastern 
> > borders carried with them 20 years of accumulated experience, know-how, 
> > equipment, skilled men, warriors, designers, leaders, commanders, 
> > soldiers, and everything else that was required in a new war. It was not 
> > a force made of one people and something particular to them only. It was 
> > the aggregate of _everything_ in the art of war that people from 
> > Mongolia, China, and three other major central Asian civilizations had 
> > supplied them with. Mongols were already strong enough when they had 
> > defeated China 20 years earlier; just guess what they'd turned into when 
> > they approached Iran. Therefore by this time, nobody in the world, no 
> > fighting power in existence anywhere could defeat them. That's what Iran 
> > faced... 
> > 
> > Mongols knew that! And Iranians knew that! So for settlers it was all a 
> > matter of fighting to absolute annihilation, or staying aside and let 
> > this gigantic moving city pass through and take every god damn thing 
> > with it, reducing them to nothing but empty houses, old useless men and 
> > women and the sick and mentally defective. They even took all teenagers 
> > with them to train them they way they needed. Very very few cities or 
> > towns accepted Mongols terms. So destruction was indeed absolute and 
> > thorough. 
> > 
> > Iran to this day is recovering from it. China is just finishing the last 
> > stages of recovery from it. Korea is recovering from it fast. This 
> > thing, this Mongol phenomena, even today 800 years after, is an ongoing 
> > matter that's being dealt with. And nobody in it can be pointed fingers 
> > at. Mongols had to do what was right and had no other choice but doing 
> > what they did, and settlers had to do what they deemed right and 
> > honorable to do. 
> > 
> > It was a case of MH waging war against MH while both sides were correct 
> > in their approaches. It was nothing like WWI or WWII or all these wars 
> > fought by CH where ingrained stupidity is at the center. It was an 
> > eyeopening example of how MH never engages in war unless it is 
> > absolutely the correct approach in action. 
> > 
> > Must go walking now. 
> > -- 
> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong.
With wisdom one sees that Mongols as gigantically wrong crushing those of dubious correctness, creating thus a gigantic wrong of pain and bloodshed.
With increased wisdom one sees that those crushed were a hapless lot leading wrong lives, amounting to a gigantic wrong.
Two gigantic wrongs, multiplied, made the super-gargantuan right of the present world of peace, joy and prosperity for the Mongols and the descendants of those they slaughtered.
Less trouble for doing gargantuan good, is to multiply two gigantic rights.
Like my inventions, the Internal Force Engine and the Hydrogen Transmission Network.
The way to go, for the next few thousand years.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

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#835437

On 11/10/2021 12:15 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 09:57:55 UTC+11, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:52:14 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>> On 11/3/2021 10:35 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>> On 10/27/2021 10:35 AM, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>>> Coexistence is of course best achieved by trade in which both sides
>>>>> _fairly_ benefit. That's the approach that MH takes and that's the
>>>>> approach that you see in history all modern human took.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Mongol onslaught on MH, a case of MH war on MH, was an exception in
>>>> which both sides were taking the correct approach! I will discuss it
>>>> later in detail.
>>>>
>>> Ok let me explain that important matter now quickly.
>>>
>>> Very fast, Mongols didn't aim to ravage every sign of civilization and
>>> life anywhere that they happened to move to. They were totally pragmatic
>>> people and didn't have time for anger or greed or whim, etc. Indeed they
>>> offered some of the best examples of MH inside and out, and what they
>>> did was not the result of stupidity or malice, but absolute necessity.
>>> That's why it happened!
>>>
>>> The gist of the matter was that they had, for the first time in history,
>>> created a too large of a "city" that still relied totally on their mode
>>> of life :-) It was the first (and last) in history. They were almost
>>> 100% people who lived on livestock. There's a limit for the size of such
>>> things because these livestock must eat. When such "cities" grew in size
>>> to a point that there were no grass and grain in the area to feed them,
>>> the entire "city" had to begin to move!
>>>
>>> These "moving cities" were as large or often larger than usual
>>> stationary and still cities we're all familiar with, and Mongols lived
>>> inside it, married inside it, gave birth in it, everything, while
>>> constantly moving. They couldn't even stay 24 hours in one place cause
>>> some of their livestock would starve to death, so they moved perpetually
>>> throughout hours and days and years. They lived while constantly moving
>>> toward areas with grass, and soon after all grass was eaten and gone,
>>> the city was also gone elsewhere. These "moving cities" never stopped.
>>>
>>> The result of this new mode of life, living inside "moving cities", was
>>> that in the event of a serious war they could not just win the war and
>>> keep going because enemy would form again behind them very quickly and
>>> easily.
>>>
>>> In conventional wars you defeat your enemy then you establish local
>>> forces to keep your defeated enemy in check while the rest of your
>>> forces move forward. Mongols couldn't do that because they didn't have
>>> anything that could stop and be left behind. Everything had to move
>>> forward with the rest of the "city".
>>>
>>> Therefore after enemy was defeated, they had to also annihilate the
>>> entire infrastructure, people, any form and manner of equipment and life
>>> that could be used later to create a resistance to them in their wake.
>>> It was a necessity, not acts of savagery.
>>>
>>> And there were not just one "moving city". There were numerous moving
>>> cities all carefully distanced from each other so by the time the one
>>> behind would reach areas once passed by an earlier wave, grass again had
>>> grown. Even the shape of these cities were calculated accordingly. They
>>> were boomerang shaped and the angle would change depending on territory
>>> the city moved through. The front edge to rear edge length of this
>>> boomerang had its limits cause if too wide the livestock in the rear
>>> would have nothing to eat. It was some brilliant design Chengiz himself
>>> had come up with, making such formations at that size and magnitude
>>> possible for the first time in history. And it was something to see!
>>>
>>> The tale of the sight of Mongols moving cities is still on Iranians
>>> tongues. The wonder, the intricacies, even the smell!... Iranians could
>>> smell the approaching Mongol cities days in advance. They'd know their
>>> fates will shortly be met and had ample time to make the most important
>>> decisions of their lives. Many sided with those who wanted to fight to
>>> death. The rest were simply slaughtered clean off the face of the area
>>> where there was a lively city standing before Mongols' arrival.
>>>
>>> Now from settled people's point of view, these huge moving cities would
>>> arrive and devour every form of grass, grain, and food that their
>>> livestock could eat without asking for permission. Livestock doesn't ask
>>> for permission. In fact Mongols all the time on approaching a city would
>>> send messengers in advance to warn the rulers of the city what was
>>> coming and if they would just stay put until food was finished the
>>> moving city would keep going away from them without any slaughter. These
>>> messengers also would tell the settlers that their best horses and
>>> equipment that could be made to move would also be taken, their entire
>>> livestock would be taken, and that some of their most beautiful women
>>> may also be taken. Also all their craftsmen and skilled workers would be
>>> taken along with them when city would continue moving past what was left
>>> of their city.
>>>
>>> These offers weren't that acceptable, were they. Therefore almost in
>>> every encounter with a city war would be waged on Mongols on the
>>> decision and resolve of the settlers. Settlers had to choose between
>>> absolute ground zero in their lives, left with no food, no horses, no
>>> livestock; or, they would defend themselves to death. In many many
>>> cities that Mongols arrived at, the latter proved to be the case, and
>>> war would break out, and Mongols would win then absolutely everything
>>> that was left of the city and the citizenry would be destroyed to
>>> prevent creation of a resisting force.
>>>
>>> But why Mongols always won the wars? (Mongols were never defeated)
>>>
>>> These Mongols, these moving cities, on approaching Iran's eastern
>>> borders carried with them 20 years of accumulated experience, know-how,
>>> equipment, skilled men, warriors, designers, leaders, commanders,
>>> soldiers, and everything else that was required in a new war. It was not
>>> a force made of one people and something particular to them only. It was
>>> the aggregate of _everything_ in the art of war that people from
>>> Mongolia, China, and three other major central Asian civilizations had
>>> supplied them with. Mongols were already strong enough when they had
>>> defeated China 20 years earlier; just guess what they'd turned into when
>>> they approached Iran. Therefore by this time, nobody in the world, no
>>> fighting power in existence anywhere could defeat them. That's what Iran
>>> faced...
>>>
>>> Mongols knew that! And Iranians knew that! So for settlers it was all a
>>> matter of fighting to absolute annihilation, or staying aside and let
>>> this gigantic moving city pass through and take every god damn thing
>>> with it, reducing them to nothing but empty houses, old useless men and
>>> women and the sick and mentally defective. They even took all teenagers
>>> with them to train them they way they needed. Very very few cities or
>>> towns accepted Mongols terms. So destruction was indeed absolute and
>>> thorough.
>>>
>>> Iran to this day is recovering from it. China is just finishing the last
>>> stages of recovery from it. Korea is recovering from it fast. This
>>> thing, this Mongol phenomena, even today 800 years after, is an ongoing
>>> matter that's being dealt with. And nobody in it can be pointed fingers
>>> at. Mongols had to do what was right and had no other choice but doing
>>> what they did, and settlers had to do what they deemed right and
>>> honorable to do.
>>>
>>> It was a case of MH waging war against MH while both sides were correct
>>> in their approaches. It was nothing like WWI or WWII or all these wars
>>> fought by CH where ingrained stupidity is at the center. It was an
>>> eyeopening example of how MH never engages in war unless it is
>>> absolutely the correct approach in action.
>>>
>>> Must go walking now.
>>> -- 
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>> With cockroach wisdom two rights make a gigantic wrong.
> With wisdom one sees that Mongols as gigantically wrong crushing those of dubious correctness, creating thus a gigantic wrong of pain and bloodshed.
> With increased wisdom one sees that those crushed were a hapless lot leading wrong lives, amounting to a gigantic wrong.
> Two gigantic wrongs, multiplied, made the super-gargantuan right of the present world of peace, joy and prosperity for the Mongols and the descendants of those they slaughtered.
> Less trouble for doing gargantuan good, is to multiply two gigantic rights.
> Like my inventions, the Internal Force Engine and the Hydrogen Transmission Network.
> The way to go, for the next few thousand years.
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee

In the land of fantasies, Arindam Banerjee is a god. In the world of
realities, not so much.

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#835361

On 11/8/2021 12:52 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
> These "moving cities" never stopped.

Never stopped more than a few hours at a time for the livestock to sleep 
of course. But while awake it had to move with a certain speed 
(determining the width of the "boomerang") forward.

The division of responsibilities, conduct of everyday life matters, and 
everything that pertained war were all genuinely devised from scratch up 
mostly by Chengiz himself. That's how the moving city could grow to such 
sizes.

Onlookers who reported the sight of them approaching (looking from 
elevated areas on the mountain sides) could not see the other end of 
these cities. All the way to the horizon there were livestock and 
equipment and people in any direction they looked! They had to wait some 
time for the mid sections of the boomerang show its borders, after which 
the wings came to view which almost always were lagging behind forming 
that boomerang shape.

The chain of command Chengiz had designed worked both for daily living 
needs and wars should one break out, and it was different from structure 
of other conventional military forces. In his design each person ordered 
only 10 other individuals and no-one else, and took orders from only one 
individual. He was part of 10 others like himself taking order from that 
one individual. And the latter was similarly one of 10 others who had 
same roles as he had. It may give the impression that this formed a 
pyramid but that was not the case! The commander who ordered the 10 
individuals under his command did not care and could not order 
individuals under the commands of these 10. He was only responsible for 
those 10 individuals and no one else. This made the job much easier and 
much more efficient than having to deal with matters and problems that 
came up within people lower down in this "pyramid" or having to take 
orders from more than one individual. So this was indeed not a pyramid. 
Everywhere that you looked in this hierarchy you'd see the same texture, 
an individual commanding 10 others and himself being commanded by just 
one individual who also commanded 9 others like him.

Just about every rule and regulation in any aspect of life was original 
and pertained only the life in such moving cities, and almost all were 
designed by Chengiz himself.





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#835363

On 11/9/2021 9:32 AM, Clutterfreak wrote:
> On 11/8/2021 12:52 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
>> These "moving cities" never stopped.
> 
> Never stopped more than a few hours at a time for the livestock to sleep 
> of course. But while awake it had to move with a certain speed 
> (determining the width of the "boomerang") forward.
> 
> The division of responsibilities, conduct of everyday life matters, and 
> everything that pertained war were all genuinely devised from scratch up 
> mostly by Chengiz himself. That's how the moving city could grow to such 
> sizes.
> 
> Onlookers who reported the sight of them approaching (looking from 
> elevated areas on the mountain sides) could not see the other end of 
> these cities. All the way to the horizon there were livestock and 
> equipment and people in any direction they looked! They had to wait some 
> time for the mid sections of the boomerang show its borders, after which 
> the wings came to view which almost always were lagging behind forming 
> that boomerang shape.
> 
> The chain of command Chengiz had designed worked both for daily living 
> needs and wars should one break out, and it was different from structure 
> of other conventional military forces. In his design each person ordered 
> only 10 other individuals and no-one else, and took orders from only one 
> individual. He was part of 10 others like himself taking order from that 
> one individual. And the latter was similarly one of 10 others who had 
> same roles as he had. It may give the impression that this formed a 
> pyramid but that was not the case! The commander who ordered the 10 
> individuals under his command did not care and could not order 
> individuals under the commands of these 10. He was only responsible for 
> those 10 individuals and no one else. This made the job much easier and 
> much more efficient than having to deal with matters and problems that 
> came up within people lower down in this "pyramid" or having to take 
> orders from more than one individual. So this was indeed not a pyramid. 
> Everywhere that you looked in this hierarchy you'd see the same texture, 
> an individual commanding 10 others and himself being commanded by just 
> one individual who also commanded 9 others like him.
> 
> Just about every rule and regulation in any aspect of life was original 
> and pertained only the life in such moving cities, and almost all were 
> designed by Chengiz himself.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


India (i.e. India proper, not the Greater India) escaped Mongol 
onslaught for two reasons. One was the same reason Europe escaped it, 
namely Iranian culture changing the lifestyle of Mongols in just one 
generation turning them into civilized entities. The other reason was of 
course the Himalayas mountain range blocking Mongols' routes southward, 
making it necessary to first go west get into Iranian plateau and only 
then turning back going east to get into India. And as I said, by that 
time Mongols' culture and way of life had totally changed and this 
invasion was not necessary for them anymore.

Europeans don't know who to thank for it, because they're CH and stupid 
in comparison. Indians know :-)


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#835447

On 11/9/2021 10:08 AM, Clutterfreak wrote:
> 



The young Chengiz (in his early 20's), totally defeated, totally 
exhausted, frustrated, and hopeless in managing some large and important 
problem, was lying on the ground in the open, depressed, demoralized and 
blue, thinking how difficult this life of his was.

He noticed a tiny ant grabbing on a large grasshopper's severed leg 
trying to get it up a vertical distance of rock about two feet. Over the 
hours as he laid down there dismayed and dispirited, he kept watching 
that this ant managed a short part of the way up then dropped back down 
to ground zero then immediately after began trying it again never 
letting go of the leg :) After a few hours of that at last the ant 
somehow got to get to the top and began its journey with the 
grasshopper's leg horizontally into the who knew where.

Chengiz's spirits came back :-) He went back at work and this time 
somehow managed to solve that unsolvable problem.

Throughout his life he told this story to his sons anytime the occasion 
would come, and the Iranian historian of Mongols heard it from one of 
his sons and wrote it down :) That's how I know it.

I've seen different versions of this story involving different persons, 
but I think the original is the one I brought above. At least it is 
right inside Juveyni's book (Ata-Malek Juveyni) written 800 years ago.






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On 10/27/2021 10:35 AM, Clutterfreak wrote:
> On 10/25/2021 11:30 AM, Clutterfreak wrote:
>> On 10/19/2021 12:02 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Solving The Right Problem (STRP)
>>
>> MH deals with real problems and real problems only. CH has to deal 
>> with real and imaginary problems by necessity. So oftentimes "solves" 
>> just one of the imaginary ones. As ridiculous as it is, it is very 
>> important to take a look at cause we MH have to live (for the time 
>> being) with these CH creatures.
>>
>> Confronted with a problem, both MH and CH of course first objectively 
>> look at the situation. Then MH finds the solution to it and does 
>> something about it right away. Old or new practice, doesn't matter to 
>> MH. Precedence doesn't matter to MH. But CH confronted with that same 
>> problem constantly checks possible solutions with a set of dogmas his 
>> group happens to hold. If direct solution to that problem contradicts 
>> a dogma or two, it is not a solution, he discards it. From this point 
>> on he proceeds to change the problem itself to a series of other 
>> imaginary ones which only _resemble_ the original one to find one that 
>> has a non-contradicting solution and "solves" that imaginary problem! 
>> Haven't we seen this taking place over and over again by our 
>> gglllorious Cro-Magnon humans.
>>
>> Therefore STRP happens only randomly for CH. For MH, STRP is of course 
>> always the case.
>>
>> What if solution to the real problem is something new? Doesn't 
>> contradict dogmas but has no precedence? In these cases CH has to seek 
>> authority first to see whether they OK it or not. If authorities ok 
>> it, it becomes a solution :) Hahah :-) So STRP among CH is only rarely 
>> achieved. And this is a recurring issue for them.
>>
>> Short term be it good or bad, long term it is the accumulative effects 
>> of these actions that in time contributes to the extinction of CH as a 
>> species coexisting with MH. Future indeed will only reserve a handful 
>> of genes from CH, nothing more.
>>
>> In my models 30 years back I experimented with percentages of times 
>> that CH correctly manages STRP. No matter how small or large that 
>> percentage was, it led to their extinction some period of time later. 
>> CH could never survive it long term. So if my previous and present 
>> notes here sound like bullshit to you, you might want to wise up and 
>> realize you have a problem here very tricky and complicated to just 
>> refute and carry on with your ignorance.
>>
>> Simply put, the most ominous consequence of group-thinking in CH is 
>> his inability to correctly manage STRP. It's the worst consequence for 
>> them.
>>
>> MH are _not_ group thinkers; they are equipped to think individually. 
>> Any kind of thinking, not just analytical thinking! Logical thinking 
>> or conceptual thinking or critical thinking or foolish thinking or 
>> weird thinking or artistic thinking or analogical thinking or mythical 
>> thinking or ... or analytical thinking! MH does it all by himself. The 
>> element of "authority" isn't present in any of that. CH does all the 
>> above but subjected to the presence of others and their group-views, 
>> especially the authority's view about subject of his thinking.
>>
>> I spoke of "dogma". Views among CH are always shared by many many 
>> others (otherwise he hides it and fights it all his life) :) So they 
>> easily turn into dogmas cause others are watching. If authority 
>> proclaims it, then it must be the thing to do or believe or be. CH 
>> societies are full of dogmas, right now as well as along the entire 
>> known history of them. Many of these dogmas are of course obsolete and 
>> needing changes that are not coming that easily or any soon. Rings a 
>> bell or two or ten or .. ? Hehe :) Yes it rings a bell.
>>
>> I'll continue with examples after I'm done with walking. So fuck off.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> So far two function and one attribute discussed:
> 
> Analytics Compartment Of Brain (ACOB):
> -------------------------------------
> 
> * functions:
> 
>    - Substitution
>      Example 1: getting fired "calamity"
>      Example 2: demography of junkies
>      Example 3: meaningful physical activity vs idiotic movements
>      Example 4: Martin Luther's 2nd downsizing of Christianity to fit CH
>      Example 5: emigrating
>      Example 6: my moving to USA
>      Example 7: from dollar to cryptocurrency
>      Example 8: invention of writing
>      Example 9: destroying Greek MH advances
>      Example 10: Dark Ages
>      Example 11: Christianity's 1st downsizing of Mithraism to fit CH
>      Example 12: European MH selling houses to CH for $1
>      Example 13: CH settlement in America only after European MH settled
> 
>    - Solving The Right Problem (STRP)
>      Example 1: war instead of trade
> 
> * attributes:
>    - Secrecy
>      Example 1: Curzon's silence on Indians
>      Example 2: Iran's open doors
>      Example 3: American Natives open doors
>      Example 4: U.S. Navy's open doors
>      Example 5: U.S. embassy in Tehran, August 1953
>      Example 6: destroying original "Persia and the Persian Question"
>      Example 7: modern day hidden Monastery collections
> 
> STRP examples are plenty. I'll start with the most important (most 
> detrimental in the long term) of them first.
> 
> Example 1. War instead of trade. When two different species of human too 
> close in abilities and features are both present, the problem of 
> coexistence becomes complicated. Any complication on the other hand is 
> handled better by MH than CH. So behavior of CH in these situations 
> creates conflicts because their "solutions" to this problem aren't 
> necessarily same as those of MH's.
> 
> When this conflict arises, CH resorts to war as the only option because 
> it is much easier among them to lead a large group of them into it than 
> it is among MH where everybody thinks individually and out of say 10000 
> men close to 10000 different ideas of solving the problem are given.
> 
> This means that when CH engages in war most probably it is not called 
> for while when MH engages in war, you're fucked! Because war in that 
> situation was actually the _correct_approach_ in solving the problem and 
> you have a heck of a problem on your hands fighting a species that 
> thinks better than you.
> 
> Presently and in the entire history, wars are imposed upon MH by CH, 
> almost all of them for wrong reasons. And presently a few wars are 
> actually being fought by the MH against CH, so important, so decisive, 
> and so consequential that nobody ever is even talking about it. It is 
> like a fate that has befallen the CH! Do they even know that? Of course 
> some of they do :)
> 
> And this "correct approach" by MH wouldn't even have started if result 
> was not found to be certain win. We don't do anything unless we know 
> what we're doing. And these are all consequences of being in possession 
> of a better ACOB.
> 
> Coexistence is of course best achieved by trade in which both sides 
> _fairly_ benefit. That's the approach that MH takes and that's the 
> approach that you see in history all modern human took.
> 
> MH defense against stupid war mongering of CH isn't always conducting a 
> war of course :) Take what we Iranians did against Romans and how we 
> eventually solved that problem conclusively. That's the subject of next 
> example :-)
> 
> 


Example 2. Roman Empire menace.

Romans had always had their ways anywhere they were dealing with CH 
(within themselves, to their north and to their west), or farther south 
of Mediterranean Sea with Blacks, and this had made them spoiled to the 
bones :) They hadn't yet experienced MH. Then they got bigger and bigger 
to the point that their eastern fronts began to step into areas ruled by 
another species of human. The Iranians. That's when things got very 
interesting for them.

All of a sudden there were no boredom for Romans in this world, no lack 
of issues to solve, ways to think over, fears to hide, designs to try, 
... no need to watch lions eat their slaves for their weekly savage 
excitement, etc. You get the point.

Now there was this thing on their east which they hadn't experienced 
before. Iran. They tried them, couple of battles, looting, etc, i.e. 
what they always did with CH on their north and west.

When Romans did that, they experienced slightly different results first 
:) Some matters were easier with these people on the east and some other 
ones harder. Just like Curzon had described Iranians in 1890. They were 
"different" but Romans couldn't say exactly how and why. They were just 
"different." They opened their doors for anybody from anywhere, east or 
west or north or south, yet they wouldn't take your orders when you 
expected them.

Ever thought how cats think of men? Something of that nature.

Rome saw that these people lived simple lives, yet at possessed systems 
of communication that Rome hadn't even dreamt of. Any information were 
transmitted via an elaborate network of karavanserays for thousands of 
miles in any direction by messengers riding fastest horses who'd get 
replaced by a new rested one and a new rider as soon as they entered the 
next karavanseray. It never took more than two days for Iran's 
government answers and directives to arrive back to those people in 
border areas, telling them what to do and what will be done for their 
problems within days.

Romans observed that these people subsisted on little, and yet could 
read from a large variety of subjects scattered in numerous texts 
available to them; and could often write nice pieces themselves, poems, 
stories. And boy they could calculate. Could measure the exact amount of 
time allocated to each farmer to have the source of water flow into his 
vineyards and other farmlands.

Romans noticed these people were informed. All of them. News, knowhow, 
everything worth knowing would travel along all these trade routes they 
had. When a caravan arrived with the goods, it also carried with it all 
the news from where it had departed, and local news in turn was given to 
them to take along for later stops. People sat and discussed stuff with 
these newly arrived individuals who either led the caravan or had chosen 
to travel in their company.

Romans saw that these miserable looking people instead of taking orders 
from them they thought and analyzed what they were told! Just who were 
these strange creatures on their eastern fronts, using tokens instead of 
gold and silver itself and using a different token as soon as you'd ride 
into their adjacent regions who had a different governor ... who were 
they? They wondered.

Roman armies and cavalries stepped into these people's grounds seeing 
absolutely no resistance, even sometimes getting nicely greeted and were 
offered sweets and drinks and received suggestions for trades! ... How 
strange!

"Let's loot!" they always fell back on of course. And still no serious 
resistance.. Strange from begin to end, just as Curzon had felt soon 
after stepping into Iran.

Then they'd of course get nervous. They'd hear an army is approaching 
them not from the west or north but from the east. "THESE MISERABLE 
PEOPLE HAVE ARMIES TOO??" they must've been wondering.

The forces from east would arrive and would give a lesson to these CH 
savages that their ravaged remaining soldiers wouldn't want to breathe 
before hurriedly carrying them back west to their rulers.

You don't know how many times this happened and in how many different 
scales, ways, locations, manners, and outcomes. Over and over again, 
these Romans staged wars on their eastern fronts on Iran, and over and 
over again they were either defeated or immediately after winning some 
battle would escape westward to take the fake "good news" to their 
people back in Rome.

This continued for many years and decades, even centuries, on border 
areas of western Iran until it became clear it was a major issue that 
would not ever go away if not solved. Then Iranians began thinking it 
over to find a solution better than war. And that, the Iranians found. 
Christianity.

Iranians noticed that as long as these Roman CH stayed savages, 
illiterate, and with no set of moral leads to believe in and follow, 
they'd just continue to be themselves causing problems because all they 
had to deal with as a result was defeating some other CH savages around 
them. An easy task. So the solution Iran arrived with was to educate the 
Romans. This was to be done via a smaller "portable" form of Mithraism 
(Iranians' own religion in these periods) that could be easily and 
quickly instilled in people anywhere, but one which also contained the 
core of this mighty religion. Without the core it would just be another 
futile attempt at solving a never ending problem.

So three of the highest "mogh"s in Iran (mogh was the title for a 
religious leader who also had top political responsibilities and duties 
- Westerners today use this word as "magus" - plural of it is "magi"), 
something equivalent to present "ayatollah"s, took up the task of 
implementing this portable Mithraism in the areas frequently visited, 
looted, and occasionally ruled by Romans. I.e. areas where Romans had 
developed a high degree of sensitivity for and watched and studied it 
carefully all the time cause it was just the area from where Iran could 
one day move forward towards them: Immediately on the eastern shores of 
the Mediterranean sea.

This little and yet potent _sapling_ of a promising idea that was 
planted, grew, and grew fast! It provided just what CH savages lacked in 
their very genes, let alone cultures. And later it was referred to as 
"Christianity."

The design was to hit the heart of the problem in Rome, rendering that 
out of control entity a major overhaul to the point that they wouldn't 
continue their mischief on their eastern borders every time they'd get 
an erection.

It worked very successfully. The only problem with it was that it took 
longer than what the three moghs had expected. Instead of taking a 
couple of decades, it took a couple of centuries to enforce sufficient 
hold on Roman Empire. And by the time that eventually happened, that 
administration in Iran had itself changed to a yet another novel and 
advanced dynasty specialized in ruling over and dealing with a vast area 
of land, the Iranian plateau (or Greater Iran today). The dynasty from 
which those three moghs came from did not see the benefit of this 
amazing plan.

This was, and is, one of the best examples of MH managing to find and 
solve the correct problem and not one of the fictitious immediate ones 
all around it. It benefited everybody. Iran and Europe both. It created 
the Church system among CH savages which in turn created schools and 
universities and hospitals for them. It caused CH survival to this 
moment on this day, in the presence of the mighty MH!

It was essentially choosing coexistence over war. Very "MH"ly indeed.

Roman Empire,
Napoleon,
British Empire
Russian Empire,
Communism
The Third Reich,
and the present USA,

..could NEVER come up with a solution like that. They all adversely 
dealt with Iran and Iran managed STRP in every single case with them. 
That's how such issues went away, not by anything these Bozos could ever 
master. STRP is indeed what MH does, not CH. As simple as that.

As said before, dogmas don't overcome MH thinking. There _are_ no dogmas 
for the MH. It can't form among them. This is direct the consequence of 
ACOB difference between CH and MH.


My next example for function STRP will be how Iran solved the menace of 
Russian Empire :-) Got to go walking.




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