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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2025-06-14 12:37 -0700 |
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Can a Machine become self-aware? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-06-14 12:37 -0700
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-06-15 07:02 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-06-15 09:43 +0200
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-15 07:59 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-06-15 13:10 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-15 14:18 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-06-21 16:28 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-06-21 18:19 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-06-22 07:16 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-06-22 11:48 -0700
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-06-22 18:24 -0500
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-06-24 07:20 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-06-24 13:11 -0700
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-06-25 06:24 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-06-25 12:01 -0700
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-06-26 08:11 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-06-26 10:34 -0700
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-06-27 05:18 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-06-26 22:39 -0700
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-06-26 22:45 -0700
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-06-28 07:47 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-07-01 07:51 -0700
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-07-02 06:41 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-07-02 13:49 -0500
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-07-03 08:24 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-07-02 10:56 -0700
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? squalk <sq@net.inv> - 2025-07-02 20:03 +0100
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-07-02 13:12 -0700
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? squalk <sq@net.inv> - 2025-07-02 21:21 +0100
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-07-02 15:30 -0700
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-03 20:06 +0200
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-03 20:04 +0200
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-07-03 08:24 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-07-03 08:37 +0000
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-07-07 22:03 -0700
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-03 20:01 +0200
Re: Can a Machine become self-aware? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-21 14:43 -0700
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| From | Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-28 07:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <103o6m0$1cs94$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #893600 |
>Jan Panteltje wrote: >> >> >I see, you one of 'those' that post links that you yourself don't >> >read... >> > >> > >> >"Mirror tests" have been done on chimpanzees, elephants, dolphins and >> >magpies. >> > >> > >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-awareness#:~:text=%5B39%5D-,Non%2Dhuman%20animals,-%5Bedit%5D >> > >> > >> > >> >German people are sooo lazy they take more sick days and any other euro >> >country! >> > >> > >> >Are you fat too? >> >> It is sad that once you lost comprehension of the subject you start insulting. >> Low IQ sign. >> >> No I am not German. >> FYI: I am an alien lifeform doing some investigation here to see if you humming-beans pose a danger to the Intergalactic >> Union. >> If so, then you may be beamed-up. >> We have zoos were we keep a few of your species for tourists. >> Earth is not visited by many of us, as the intergalactic travel agency has advised against visiting earth as it is infested >> with humans and those are considered dangerous. >> So much for Seti. > > >That which you believe is "self-awarness"... >according to Albert Einstein is simply a...optical delusion. > >It's sad that you and everyone else deny >that which you believe is "self-awarness"...a self is simply > >an optical delusion. > > >There are no "self-awarness" life forms on earth... > >and intelligent life does not exist on earth either. > > >But I know yous people need your "optical delusions" to survive. > > >Therefore you are not. > > >If you are not German, that means you are not fat. > > >wat other kind of people live in Germany? I do not know if you ever did some programing or neural net programing, or ever designed some 'machine' that did some task.. You sound a bit confused 'Self awareness' is easy implemented by adding either some code or some hardware looking at what other parts of the system do, call it 'mirror neurons' or whatever, as I explained in the 'sunscreen with voice added example. No big deal and no dots on your head either. In that layer of extra (soft or hardware or both) MEMORY is an important part, it enables 'learning', In a biological system the learning may be stored even in the configuration or in RNA or DNA in cells and self modification of the neural net is also possible. We are, really, very simple. Some religious fanatic groups (basically kids who were fed false concepts and made slaves of their masters) will deny anything simple, make a big spectacle of a 'heaven or 'hell' and deny life is everywhere in the universe. Even the first Viking Mars experiment that was positive for life war denounced hours later! http://www.gillevin.com/ We need a better system, US is dead. Maybe as soon as kids learn to play with software and neural net software and bots, will they SEE that they are being used by some religious fanatic idiots, Design something. Or maybe their DNS structure is modified to make them 'great believers' In that case the species will either die, or hold back evolution for many years because of religious concepts. Ultimately Darwin applies, some other lifeform, from fungi to what not, may outlive and outsmart the human species. Holy shit what goes: Pay money to your religious leader and you are a 'good believer' In medieval times the sun was orbiting the earth and they had math to show where it was , and the planets, at any time As full of bullshit as Albert E science was, and for a fact is still today. For the real a tit fitty club, if Le Sage particles travel at (approximately) C and light is a state of those LS particles then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges-Louis_Le_Sage we are done with Albert E. and if these LS particles originate in stars or holes (black or white duh), then the universe will expand Throw in some slowing of the LS particles over time .. Near to earth more Le Sage particles are intercepted by earth, matter gets less compressed, 'the pendulum get longer' time slows down! And you should also see spectrum widening, as the particle flux is now different coming from different sides. Now it is fun again, no singularities at some point all particles are intercepted, no math bullshit divide by zero, MOVE ON . There are no infinities in Nature, something will always give way.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-01 07:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6863F5E7.A71@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #893631 |
Are you aware Jan that not only you have 'no self-awareness' but also you have no free will? Jan Panteltje wrote: > > >Jan Panteltje wrote: > >> > >> >I see, you one of 'those' that post links that you yourself don't > >> >read... > >> > > >> > > >> >"Mirror tests" have been done on chimpanzees, elephants, dolphins and > >> >magpies. > >> > > >> > > >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-awareness#:~:text=%5B39%5D-,Non%2Dhuman%20animals,-%5Bedit%5D > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >German people are sooo lazy they take more sick days and any other euro > >> >country! > >> > > >> > > >> >Are you fat too? > >> > >> It is sad that once you lost comprehension of the subject you start insulting. > >> Low IQ sign. > >> > >> No I am not German. > >> FYI: I am an alien lifeform doing some investigation here to see if you humming-beans pose a danger to the Intergalactic > >> Union. > >> If so, then you may be beamed-up. > >> We have zoos were we keep a few of your species for tourists. > >> Earth is not visited by many of us, as the intergalactic travel agency has advised against visiting earth as it is infested > >> with humans and those are considered dangerous. > >> So much for Seti. > > > > > >That which you believe is "self-awarness"... > >according to Albert Einstein is simply a...optical delusion. > > > >It's sad that you and everyone else deny > >that which you believe is "self-awarness"...a self is simply > > > >an optical delusion. > > > > > >There are no "self-awarness" life forms on earth... > > > >and intelligent life does not exist on earth either. > > > > > >But I know yous people need your "optical delusions" to survive. > > > > > >Therefore you are not. > > > > > >If you are not German, that means you are not fat. > > > > > >wat other kind of people live in Germany? > > I do not know if you ever did some programing or neural net programing, > or ever designed some 'machine' that did some task.. You sound a bit confused > > 'Self awareness' is easy implemented by adding either some code or some hardware looking at what > other parts of the system do, call it 'mirror neurons' or whatever, > as I explained in the 'sunscreen with voice added example. > No big deal and no dots on your head either. In that layer of extra (soft or hardware or both) MEMORY is > an important part, it enables 'learning', > In a biological system the learning may be stored even in the configuration or in RNA or DNA in cells > and self modification of the neural net is also possible. We are, really, very simple. > > Some religious fanatic groups (basically kids who were fed false concepts and made slaves of their masters) > will deny anything simple, make a big spectacle of a 'heaven or 'hell' > and deny life is everywhere in the universe. Even the first Viking Mars experiment that was positive for life war denounced hours later! > http://www.gillevin.com/ > We need a better system, US is dead. > > Maybe as soon as kids learn to play with software and neural net software and bots, will they SEE that they are being used by some religious fanatic idiots, > Design something. > Or maybe their DNS structure is modified to make them 'great believers' > In that case the species will either die, or hold back evolution for many years > because of religious concepts. > Ultimately Darwin applies, some other lifeform, from fungi to what not, may outlive and outsmart the human species. > Holy shit what goes: > Pay money to your religious leader and you are a 'good believer' > In medieval times the sun was orbiting the earth and they had math to show where it was , and the planets, at any time > As full of bullshit as Albert E science was, and for a fact is still today. > > For the real a tit fitty club, if Le Sage particles travel at (approximately) C and light is a state of those LS particles then > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges-Louis_Le_Sage > we are done with Albert E. and if these LS particles originate in stars or holes (black or white duh), then the universe will expand > Throw in some slowing of the LS particles over time .. > Near to earth more Le Sage particles are intercepted by earth, matter gets less compressed, 'the pendulum get longer' > time slows down! And you should also see spectrum widening, as the particle flux is now different coming from different sides. > Now it is fun again, no singularities > at some point all particles are intercepted, no math bullshit divide by zero, MOVE ON . > There are no infinities in Nature, something will always give way. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-02 06:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1042ka0$1kbfv$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #893727 |
>Are you aware Jan that not only >you have 'no self-awareness' but also >you have no free will? Well, I do seem to be self-aware, even evaluate what I am - and have been - doing. 3 days all day long computa all weekend.. And some garden work. I tested the high temperature warning here by going out in the garden and watched a movie on the laptop in the sun. The laptop housing got so hot that if you touched it it felt like burning your fingers. Very bright sun, but could still follow the screen display. Old Samsung laptop, from 2011, still has a DVD player / writer in it, latest Ubuntu on it... Screen display is very good. Maybe for brighter (even brighter than this it won't get?) light I have a Pocketbook Aqua2, just for data, not for movies. Anyways 32 degrees outside measured here. That Aqua2 is nice for on a boat.. As always: experimenting, writing scrips ... So self-aware.. Free Willy? Sure, depends on your point of view, did you plan your own birth? And where you grew up? Much depends on the environment, genetics passed on from parents, education, etc etc.. One day, when I am 'gone', some of my electrons and other chemical parts will maybe become part of you or others. If you go into quantum coupling some of what I did may make them steer what others do.. Sound of thunder now here, lightning, better stay inside, flashes .. Got some more code to write and test.
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-02 13:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1043v07$1l9rr$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #893751 |
On 7/2/25 1:41 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote: > Anyways 32 degrees outside measured here. 32 degrees what.
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| From | Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-03 08:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1045enr$1m8fd$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #893758 |
>On 7/2/25 1:41 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> Anyways 32 degrees outside measured here. > > >32 degrees what. Celsius There is a heat alert in large part of Europe. Spain and Italy about 46 degrees C IIRC. I am more north, 32 degrees C in the Netherlands where I live. Was curious how I would cope .. no problem But I had no problem either at -40 C walking around in jeans once.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-02 10:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6fsa6kl9fle95bf18an5n7fr1ipbejqtkj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #893727 |
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:51:19 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Are you aware Jan that not only >you have 'no self-awareness' but also >you have no free will? That which you believe is "self-awarness"... according to Albert Einstein is simply an..."optical delusion". And Albert Einstein also said:"...I do not believe in free will." There is no "free will", and there is no "self-awarness". No "free will", and no "self-awarness" goes hand in hand. It's impossible to have "self-awarness" if there is no free will, and visa versa. Since, "Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control". Albert Einstein stated, "I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will." "Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control". https://www.google.com/search?q=einstein+determinism+quote "Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect, as well as for the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper. - Albert Einstein
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| From | squalk <sq@net.inv> |
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| Date | 2025-07-02 20:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <fQCdndMtnfM0H_j1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #893757 |
The Starmaker wrote: > On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:51:19 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> Are you aware Jan that not only >> you have 'no self-awareness' but also >> you have no free will? > > > That which you believe is "self-awarness"... > according to Albert Einstein is simply an..."optical delusion". > > And Albert Einstein also said:"...I do not believe in free will." ---------------------------------------- How could he say that, if he had no free will? > >
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-02 13:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sh4b6k9229tvklplh4fqm6ck2fjvqmo4mi@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #893759 |
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 20:03:03 +0100, squalk <sq@net.inv> wrote: >The Starmaker wrote: >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:51:19 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >>> Are you aware Jan that not only >>> you have 'no self-awareness' but also >>> you have no free will? >> >> >> That which you believe is "self-awarness"... >> according to Albert Einstein is simply an..."optical delusion". >> >> And Albert Einstein also said:"...I do not believe in free will." > >---------------------------------------- > >How could he say that, if he had no free will? >> >> People are the voice of Nature It is Nature that speaks thru Einstein. Why do you ...squawk?
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| From | squalk <sq@net.inv> |
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| Date | 2025-07-02 21:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <R8Cdndrh59mXCPj1nZ2dnZfqnPj9yJ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #893761 |
The Starmaker wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 20:03:03 +0100, squalk <sq@net.inv> wrote: > >> The Starmaker wrote: >>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:51:19 -0700, The Starmaker >>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Are you aware Jan that not only >>>> you have 'no self-awareness' but also >>>> you have no free will? >>> >>> >>> That which you believe is "self-awarness"... >>> according to Albert Einstein is simply an..."optical delusion". >>> >>> And Albert Einstein also said:"...I do not believe in free will." >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> How could he say that, if he had no free will? >>> >>> > > People > are > the > voice > of > Nature > > It is Nature that speaks thru Einstein. > > > Why do you ...squawk? --------------------------------- I believe in free will. >
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-02 15:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1044bt8$3ollq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #893762 |
On 7/2/2025 1:21 PM, squalk wrote: > The Starmaker wrote: >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 20:03:03 +0100, squalk <sq@net.inv> wrote: >> >>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:51:19 -0700, The Starmaker >>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Are you aware Jan that not only >>>>> you have 'no self-awareness' but also >>>>> you have no free will? >>>> >>>> >>>> That which you believe is "self-awarness"... >>>> according to Albert Einstein is simply an..."optical delusion". >>>> >>>> And Albert Einstein also said:"...I do not believe in free will." >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> >>> How could he say that, if he had no free will? >>>> >>>> >> >> People >> are >> the >> voice >> of >> Nature >> >> It is Nature that speaks thru Einstein. >> >> >> Why do you ...squawk? > > --------------------------------- > > I believe in free will. >> Would a honey bee still sting if it knew it was going to die?
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2025-07-03 20:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mcnuvuF1jo5U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #893762 |
Am Mittwoch000002, 02.07.2025 um 22:21 schrieb squalk: > The Starmaker wrote: >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 20:03:03 +0100, squalk <sq@net.inv> wrote: >> >>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:51:19 -0700, The Starmaker >>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Are you aware Jan that not only >>>>> you have 'no self-awareness' but also >>>>> you have no free will? >>>> >>>> >>>> That which you believe is "self-awarness"... >>>> according to Albert Einstein is simply an..."optical delusion". >>>> >>>> And Albert Einstein also said:"...I do not believe in free will." >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> >>> How could he say that, if he had no free will? >>>> >>>> >> >> People >> are >> the >> voice >> of >> Nature >> >> It is Nature that speaks thru Einstein. >> >> >> Why do you ...squawk? > > --------------------------------- > > I believe in free will. >> Someone said: Ok, me too, but not in freedom after will. TH
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2025-07-03 20:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mcnusrF1jo5U8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #893761 |
Am Mittwoch000002, 02.07.2025 um 22:12 schrieb The Starmaker: >>> >>> That which you believe is "self-awarness"... >>> according to Albert Einstein is simply an..."optical delusion". >>> >>> And Albert Einstein also said:"...I do not believe in free will." >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> How could he say that, if he had no free will? >>> >>> > > People > are > the > voice > of > Nature Well, possibly, but only if we include some forces into the term 'nature', too, which currently are regarded as belonging to politics, media or society. > > It is Nature that speaks thru Einstein. Well, possibly it was his wife. That is also nature. TH
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| From | Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-03 08:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1045ens$1m8fd$2@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #893759 |
>The Starmaker wrote: >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:51:19 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >>> Are you aware Jan that not only >>> you have 'no self-awareness' but also >>> you have no free will? >> >> >> That which you believe is "self-awarness"... >> according to Albert Einstein is simply an..."optical delusion". >> >> And Albert Einstein also said:"...I do not believe in free will." > >---------------------------------------- > >How could he say that, if he had no free will? Albert E. was a fraud. The religious fanatic YouWitz genocide club worships him as a got because he wrote a letter to president Roosevelt to make a bomb to commit genocide on Japanese civilians. Albert One Stone's way of reasoning was already proven wrong by Alain Aspect many years ago. To keep it simple again, the simplest explanation I come up with is: Le Sage particles (that cause gravity) travel at the speed of light, and some state of those particles (spin?) is what we experience as EM radiation. So basically EM radiation and gravity are passed on by the same particle. If you mess with electrons then you give locally a spin? (have an effect on) the Le Sage particles and those modified particles is what we perceive as light. Yet those modified gravity particles transfer a mechanical force too (solar sail). Very simple, explains everything. In deep space (as far as we know about it) the flux of Le Sage particles compresses matter... Near a heavy object (earth) this flux is lower (Le Sage particle partly intercepted by Earth) and matter gets less compressed, electron orbits get wider, the pendulum becomes longer, clocks move slower. Very simple. At some point all Le Sage particle are intercepted in case of an ever larger mass, no singularities! No silly divide by zero crap. No strings attached. Simple mechanics., Do I have free will? Am I free Willy? Maybe its because I come from a family of watch makers? Frauds like Albert E are a disgrace to science and a big hurdle that you humming beans will have to overcome to UNDERSTAND nature. Where do Le Sage particles come from? From inside processes in stars or other celestial objects? If so the universe should push itself apart! Is seems to do so. If Le Sage particles (and so light) are the same thing, then gravity should move at the speed of light. It seems that has been confirmed. What keeps the electron moving around the nucleus in atoms? What is 'charge'? only a small step for men to open the eyes and now SEE. I have always been a rebel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation
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| From | Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-03 08:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1045fgc$1m90t$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #893759 |
>The Starmaker wrote: >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:51:19 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >>> Are you aware Jan that not only >>> you have 'no self-awareness' but also >>> you have no free will? >> >> >> That which you believe is "self-awarness"... >> according to Albert Einstein is simply an..."optical delusion". >> >> And Albert Einstein also said:"...I do not believe in free will." > >---------------------------------------- > >How could he say that, if he had no free will? Albert E. was a fraud. The religious fanatic YouWitz genocide club worships him as a got because he wrote a letter to president Roosevelt to make a bomb to commit genocide on Japanese civilians. Albert One Stone's way of reasoning was already proven wrong by Alain Aspect many years ago. To keep it simple again, the simplest explanation I come up with is: Le Sage particles (that cause gravity) travel at the speed of light, and some state of those particles (spin?) is what we experience as EM radiation. So basically EM radiation and gravity are passed on by the same particle. If you mess with electrons then you give locally a spin? (have an effect on) the Le Sage particles and those modified particles is what we perceive as light. Yet those modified gravity particles transfer a mechanical force too (solar sail). Very simple, explains everything. In deep space (as far as we know about it) the flux of Le Sage particles compresses matter... Near a heavy object (earth) this flux is lower (Le Sage particle partly intercepted by Earth) and matter gets less compressed, electron orbits get wider, the pendulum becomes longer, clocks move slower. Very simple. At some point all Le Sage particle are intercepted in case of an ever larger mass, no singularities! No silly divide by zero crap. No strings attached. Simple mechanics., Do I have free will? Am I free Willy? Maybe its because I come from a family of watch makers? Frauds like Albert E are a disgrace to science and a big hurdle that you humming beans will have to overcome to UNDERSTAND nature. Where do Le Sage particles come from? From inside processes in stars or other celestial objects? If so the universe should push itself apart! Is seems to do so. If Le Sage particles (and so light) are the same thing, then gravity should move at the speed of light. It seems that has been confirmed. What keeps the electron moving around the nucleus in atoms? What is 'charge'? only a small step for men to open the eyes and now SEE. I have always been a rebel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-07 22:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <686CA68E.7930@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #893779 |
Jan Panteltje wrote: > > >The Starmaker wrote: > >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:51:19 -0700, The Starmaker > >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Are you aware Jan that not only > >>> you have 'no self-awareness' but also > >>> you have no free will? > >> > >> > >> That which you believe is "self-awarness"... > >> according to Albert Einstein is simply an..."optical delusion". > >> > >> And Albert Einstein also said:"...I do not believe in free will." > > > >---------------------------------------- > > > >How could he say that, if he had no free will? > > Albert E. was a fraud. > The religious fanatic YouWitz genocide club worships him as a got > because he wrote a letter to president Roosevelt to make a bomb to commit genocide on Japanese civilians. > Albert One Stone's way of reasoning was already proven wrong by Alain Aspect many years ago. > > To keep it simple again, the simplest explanation I come up with is: > Le Sage particles (that cause gravity) travel at the speed of light, > and some state of those particles (spin?) is what we experience as EM radiation. > So basically EM radiation and gravity are passed on by the same particle. > If you mess with electrons then you give locally a spin? (have an effect on) the Le Sage particles > and those modified particles is what we perceive as light. > Yet those modified gravity particles transfer a mechanical force too (solar sail). > Very simple, explains everything. > In deep space (as far as we know about it) the flux of Le Sage particles compresses matter... > Near a heavy object (earth) this flux is lower (Le Sage particle partly intercepted by Earth) and matter gets less compressed, electron orbits get wider, > the pendulum becomes longer, clocks move slower. > Very simple. > At some point all Le Sage particle are intercepted in case of an ever larger mass, no singularities! No silly divide by zero crap. > No strings attached. > Simple mechanics., > > Do I have free will? Am I free Willy? Maybe its because I come from a family of watch makers? > Frauds like Albert E are a disgrace to science and a big hurdle that you humming beans will have to overcome > to UNDERSTAND nature. > Where do Le Sage particles come from? From inside processes in stars or other celestial objects? > If so the universe should push itself apart! > Is seems to do so. > If Le Sage particles (and so light) are the same thing, then gravity should move at the speed of light. > It seems that has been confirmed. > What keeps the electron moving around the nucleus in atoms? > What is 'charge'? only a small step for men to open the eyes and now SEE. > I have always been a rebel. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation a rebel with the optical delusion of self-awarness... so the gorilla looks in the mirror but the mirror is broken.. who is the third gorilla am i 3? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2025-07-03 20:01 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mcnum2F1jo5U7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #893759 |
Am Mittwoch000002, 02.07.2025 um 21:03 schrieb squalk: > The Starmaker wrote: >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:51:19 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >>> Are you aware Jan that not only >>> you have 'no self-awareness' but also >>> you have no free will? >> >> >> That which you believe is "self-awarness"... >> according to Albert Einstein is simply an..."optical delusion". >> >> And Albert Einstein also said:"...I do not believe in free will." > > ---------------------------------------- > > How could he say that, if he had no free will? >> Easy: somebody said: "listen, Albert, you say the following the next day: 'I do not believe in free will'." TH
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-06-21 14:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <103791j$19q5u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #893473 |
On 6/21/2025 9:28 AM, anthk wrote: > On 2025-06-14, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> Can a Machine become self-aware? >> >> > > We are part of the universe, and we are self-aware. If I programed something to say I am that I am. And would complain about a command about self-deleting, well, is that aware? Or just a construct?
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