Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles?

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Date	2025-01-25 21:23 +0000
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Le 25/01/2025 à 22:15, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit 
:
> On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 21:11:08 +0000, Python wrote:
> 
>> Le 25/01/2025 à 22:05, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit
>> :
>>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 0:39:40 +0000, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/24/2025 2:11 PM, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 22:24:04 +0000, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/23/2025 2:20 PM, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 21:47:25 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 18:05:49 +0000, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass
>>>>>>>>>> baubles.
>>>>>>>>>> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic
>>>>>>>>>> attain
>>>>>>>>>> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
>>>>>>>>>> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error
>>>>>>>>>> that a
>>>>>>>>>> child would know better than. However, we find universities
>>>>>>>>>> convincing
>>>>>>>>>> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent,
>>>>>>>>>> such as
>>>>>>>>>> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and
>>>>>>>>>> thoughtlessly
>>>>>>>>>> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
>>>>>>>>>> slavish, and avoidable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks
>>>>>>>>> monopoly'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How many planets are there? Who decides the answer for you? A cabal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The really amusing thing is that people are intellectual weaklings who
>>>>>>>> couldn't reason themselves out of a paper bag, or they wouldn't accept
>>>>>>>> curved space for a second.
>>>>>>> Did you ever acknowledge my point that Einstein should have understood
>>>>>>> that parallel lines would have to meet for space to curve? Isn't it
>>>>>>> stupid as hell not to recognize that? If he had been an honest and
>>>>>>> forthright person, he would have said we have to presume that parallel
>>>>>>> lines meet to claim space is curved, and this is our derivation for the
>>>>>>> doubling of the Newtonian deflection. Then, every reasonable person
>>>>>>> would have balked at such an irrational assumption and recognized him as
>>>>>>> a foolish fellow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think of drawing two horizontal lines on a spheres surface. They will
>>>>>> never intersect.
>>>>> You presume space can be treated as a surface. That is a petitio
>>>>> principii. You presume it's curved to conclude it's curved. It's not a
>>>>> surface and its not curved.
>>>>
>>>> If it was curved a bit, then I can see how two parallel lines might
>>>> intersect at a point at infinity, so to speak, in a strange sense. It's
>>>> strange to me. When I plot field individual lines in one of my
>>>> experimental fields, they never intersect even though they twist and
>>>> turn through the field...
>>> Fields can curve while space cannot.
>>
>> "Laurence", what is your level of education in maths? Just asking.
> It doesn't matter

It does.

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Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-23 10:05 -0800
  Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 12:34 -0600
  Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-23 21:47 +0000
    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-23 22:20 +0000
      Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 14:24 -0800
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-24 21:40 +0000
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-24 22:11 +0000
          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-24 16:39 -0800
            Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-25 21:05 +0000
              Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 21:11 +0000
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-25 21:15 +0000
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 21:23 +0000
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-01-27 11:13 +0100
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-25 22:50 +0100
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 22:10 +0000
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                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 22:30 +0000
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-26 07:47 +0100
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-26 14:42 +0000
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                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-02-02 11:39 +0100
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                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-02-03 02:38 +0000
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-02 13:41 +0100
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-25 14:56 -0800
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-26 14:31 +0000
          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 02:33 +0000
            Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-24 18:58 -0800
            Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-25 21:14 +0000
              Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 21:23 +0000
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-25 21:39 +0000
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 21:47 +0000
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  Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-23 21:44 +0000
    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-23 21:35 -0800
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          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-25 21:03 +0000
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