Re: What is a photon

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: What is a photon
Date	2025-06-05 11:24 +0200
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Am Mittwoch000004, 04.06.2025 um 10:39 schrieb Bertitaylor:
...
>>>>> Experiments show that the speed of light is invariant: [...]
>>>>> How is that possible if light is waves in an aether ?
>>
>>>
>>> Speed of light has to be variant in the Copernican model. Light is a
>>> wave. All waves need media to propagate. Light's medium is aether.
>>
>> A bit confused, Bertietaylor?
> 
> Not at all.
> 
>> The Copernican model is wrong, the Sun isn't the centre of the Universe.
>> And in 1543 Copernicus  knew nothing about the speed of light.
> 
> The Sun is at the centre of the solar system, of which you may have
> heard. The Earth goes around the Sun. The Sun and the planets do NOT go
> around the Earth in crystal spheres. Where the stars are supposedly
> light from Heaven casting their light through pricks on the crystal
> spheres.


The solar system moves around the center of our home galaxy and this 
galaxy around the center of our local super-cluster and that around what 
only heaven knows.

So: everything moves!

BUT: we could use a simple trick and stop motion for at least the observer.


This would make 'at rest' 'relative' and we could say, that all 
observers are of equal rights, hence all observers are at rest. But they 
are only at rest for themselves, while for any other they move.

This means essentially the same thing: everything moves.

That's why the universe cannot have a center (because that center would 
not move).

Also the so called 'big-bang' must be 'relative'.

This sounds strange and unsatisfying. But I don't think so, because it 
is actually much easier to understand than current standard cosmology.


...

TH

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  Re: What is a photon "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-01 12:46 +0200
    Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-01 12:51 +0200
      Re: What is a photon "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-01 14:08 +0200
        Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-01 14:35 +0200
    Re: What is a photon Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-06-01 13:29 +0200
      Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-06-02 03:16 +0000
        Re: What is a photon Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-01 20:45 -0700
          Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-02 06:39 +0200
          Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-02 06:43 +0200
          Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-02 06:52 +0200
        Re: What is a photon "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-03 13:22 +0200
          Re: What is a photon hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) - 2025-06-03 11:48 +0000
            Re: What is a photon "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-04 15:10 +0200
              Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-04 15:37 +0200
              Re: What is a photon hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) - 2025-06-04 15:45 +0000
                Re: What is a photon x <x@x.org> - 2025-06-04 12:22 -0700
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-05 23:29 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2025-06-06 05:33 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-06 08:20 +0200
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-06 07:29 +0000
                Re: What is a photon nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-06 10:36 +0200
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-06 09:22 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-06-06 11:31 +0200
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                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-13 11:49 +0000
          Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-03 14:52 +0200
            Re: What is a photon Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-06-03 15:31 +0200
              Re: What is a photon nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-03 21:22 +0200
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          Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-04 08:39 +0000
            Re: What is a photon "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-04 14:32 +0200
              Re: What is a photon x <x@x.org> - 2025-06-04 11:50 -0700
                Re: What is a photon Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-04 12:12 -0700
                Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-04 21:18 +0200
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-11 13:41 +0000
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                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-14 09:47 +0000
                Re: What is a photon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-14 13:21 -0700
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-14 22:12 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-14 15:27 -0700
                Re: What is a photon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-15 12:36 -0700
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                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-05 23:24 +0000
                Re: What is a photon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 12:40 -0700
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-06 22:51 +0000
                Re: What is a photon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-12 12:42 -0700
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-12 21:21 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-09 06:46 +0200
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-09 05:33 +0000
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-09 07:50 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-11 07:30 +0200
                Re: What is a photon nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-11 11:35 +0200
                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-12 06:12 +0200
                Re: What is a photon nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-12 13:18 +0200
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-12 14:22 +0000
                Re: What is a photon "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-12 21:38 +0200
                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-13 09:55 +0200
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                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-15 10:35 +0200
                Re: What is a photon "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-15 14:56 +0200
                Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-15 15:14 +0200
                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-17 07:32 +0200
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                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-13 10:13 +0200
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                Re: What is a photon Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-06-13 18:52 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-14 09:07 +0200
                Re: What is a photon "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-14 11:09 +0200
                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-15 10:14 +0200
                Re: What is a photon "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-15 15:13 +0200
                Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-13 13:25 +0200
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-12 02:01 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-12 06:29 +0200
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-12 11:05 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-13 09:45 +0200
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-15 03:19 +0000
                Re: What is a photon "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-10 20:59 +0200
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-10 22:11 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-10 15:45 -0700
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-11 04:27 +0000
                Re: What is a photon "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-11 20:50 +0200
                Re: What is a photon "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-11 21:43 +0200
                Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-12 00:04 +0200
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor) - 2025-06-23 05:53 +0000
                Re: What is a photon Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-11 13:20 +0200
            Re: What is a photon Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-05 11:24 +0200
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                Re: What is a photon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-07 14:20 -0700
                Re: What is a photon bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-07 21:33 +0000
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