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Re: Does God Play Dice, or not?

From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Subject Re: Does God Play Dice, or not?
Date 2023-02-07 17:36 -0800
Organization The Starmaker Organization
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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >
> > On 2/6/2023 12:25 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 2/5/2023 11:39 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 2/5/2023 10:36 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 2/5/2023 11:15 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 2/2/2023 12:07 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 1/31/2023 9:45 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Does God Play Dice, or not? Has it been settled??
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> If free will is allowed, then God did roll the dice. Are you going to be
> > >>>>>>>>>> good, or bad?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Good or bad does not exist out there in the universe.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> You don't think there might be hyper smart beings that are pure evil out
> > >>>>>>>> there in the universe?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Evil doesn't exist anywhere in the universe except in the minds of men.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Math doesn't exsit either out there...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Trust me, evil is real:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://youtu.be/_p6okLK3sq0
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Why do you seem to have a "hard" time understanding that?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Learn to pronounce re·al
> > >>>>> /re(?)l/
> > >>>>> adjective
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>        actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or
> > >>>>> supposed.
> > >>>>>        "Julius Caesar was a real person"
> > >>>>>        synonyms: actual, existent, nonfictional, nonfictitious, factual,
> > >>>>> historical, material, physical, tangible, concrete, palpable, corporeal,
> > >>>>> substantial, unimaginary, veridical
> > >>>>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+real
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Where in the universe is this "thing" 'actually existing', what place is
> > >>>>> it at?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Evil is imagined. It does not exist.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Humm... You might be on the verge of a psychotic state. You really do
> > >>>> not know the difference between good and evil? Humm...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Is there evil in your home? Maybe it's a force that exist in the chair
> > >>> you are sitting on...
> > >>> take the chair aprt to see if you find any evil force in it.
> > >> [...]
> > >>
> > >> Huh?
> > >
> > > Did you look in the bathroom?
> > >
> > > I'm just tryin to help you finf this thing you call evil. Let me know
> > > when you find it.
> >
> > Ummmm... Wow. Just wow. You are truly brain dead.
> >
> > Let be tell you about evil:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jessica_Lunsford
> >
> > You stupid bastard!
> 
> Where is the evil? "evil"??
> 
> People convicted of any sex crime are "transformed into a concept of evil, ..."
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender
> 
> I just figured out you have no idea what evil is...How can you find it? Especially since evil does not exist in the universe.
> 
> Definition of concept:
> an abstract idea; a general notion.
> "structuralism is a difficult concept"
> synonyms: idea, notion, conception, abstraction, conceptualization, theory, hypothesis, postulation, belief, conviction, opinion, view, image, impression, picture
> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+concept
> 
> You have Chris some idea, some notion, some theory that evil exist, ...but you're grasping at straws.
> 
> and math doesn't exist out there either.
> 
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > If it isn't in the bathroom, check the trunk of your car...
> > >
> > >
> > > Let me know when you find it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe it's on the Moon. You got of those telescopes from Popular
> > > Mechanics magazine?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Let me know when you find it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 

Poor Chris...he had to go to wikipedia.org searching for ...evil.



















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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
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 the unchallengeable.

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