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How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

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#660076 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date	2025-01-03 18:56 +0100
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<181740666ba5c732$33959$1308629$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to	#660075

W dniu 03.01.2025 o 17:27, Richard Hachel pisze:
> Le 03/01/2025 à 15:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 14:38, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>>
>>>> Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
>>>> or autodidactic.
>>>
>>> This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
>>
>> But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
>> idiot.
> 
> He was above all a good copyist.


Nope, his madness was quite unique in the history
of mankind.

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#660078 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid>
Date	2025-01-03 19:22 +0000
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<SADRKpElF5ZdMVmrLmsL5ruT4ug@jntp>
In reply to	#660076

Le 03/01/2025 à 18:56, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 17:27, Richard Hachel pisze:
>> Le 03/01/2025 à 15:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 14:38, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>>>
>>>>> Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
>>>>> or autodidactic.
>>>>
>>>> This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
>>>
>>> But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
>>> idiot.
>> 
>> He was above all a good copyist.
> 
> 
> Nope, his madness was quite unique in the history
> of mankind.

Je ne le dirais pas comme ça, Einstein était loin d'être fou.

Malhonnête, oui, un peu. Fou, surement pas. 

En prenant la place de Poincaré, puis en le déformant plus qu'en le 
bonifiant, et en ne le citant jamais dans ses renvois, Albert Einstein n'a 
jamais été clair. 

Lui même dira avant de mourir que le plus grand génie de l'histoire 
était pour lui Poincaré, et qu'il avait lu ses livres avec totale 
avidité. 

Je pense qu'une certaine forme de délire de grandeur a fait le reste, 
poussé par la folie anglo-saxonne, qui, bien qu'antisémite parfois, a 
toujours préféré Einstein à Poincaré, à une époque om la domination 
intellectuelle du monde s'exerçait entre la France et l'Angleterre. 

C'était à une époque d'avant guerre où l'Angleterre ne pouvait se 
permettre d'avouer que le plus grand génie de l'humanité était 
français, ni que ses paquebots insubmersibles pouvaient se péter tout 
seul en deux quatre jours après leur mise à flot au milieu de l'océan 
(14 avril 1912). 

L'histoire est ce qu'on en fait, pas ce qu'elle a réellement fournie.

Même déclassifiées, certaines choses ne sont jamais sorties, tant on 
n'ose toujours pas les dire.

R.H.

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#660081 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date	2025-01-03 21:43 +0100
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<vl9i5o$1p3qt$1@solani.org>
In reply to	#660078

Hi,

 > Lui même dira avant de mourir que le plus grand
 > génie de l'histoire  était pour lui Poincaré, et
 > qu'il avait lu ses livres avec totale avidité.

Ha Ha good one, had me in the first half.

However, the most famous story is that Einstein’s
final words were spoken in German to a nurse who
was present at his bedside in the Princeton Hospital
on April 18, 1955. Unfortunately, the nurse didn't speak
German, so she couldn't understand what he said.

Nevertheless he is attribute to have said:

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."

Bye

Richard Hachel schrieb:
> Le 03/01/2025 à 18:56, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 17:27, Richard Hachel pisze:
>>> Le 03/01/2025 à 15:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 14:38, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>>>>
>>>>>> Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
>>>>>> or autodidactic.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
>>>>
>>>> But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
>>>> idiot.
>>>
>>> He was above all a good copyist.
>>
>>
>> Nope, his madness was quite unique in the history
>> of mankind.
> 
> Je ne le dirais pas comme ça, Einstein était loin d'être fou.
> 
> Malhonnête, oui, un peu. Fou, surement pas.
> En prenant la place de Poincaré, puis en le déformant plus qu'en le 
> bonifiant, et en ne le citant jamais dans ses renvois, Albert Einstein 
> n'a jamais été clair.
> Lui même dira avant de mourir que le plus grand génie de l'histoire 
> était pour lui Poincaré, et qu'il avait lu ses livres avec totale avidité.
> Je pense qu'une certaine forme de délire de grandeur a fait le reste, 
> poussé par la folie anglo-saxonne, qui, bien qu'antisémite parfois, a 
> toujours préféré Einstein à Poincaré, à une époque om la domination 
> intellectuelle du monde s'exerçait entre la France et l'Angleterre.
> C'était à une époque d'avant guerre où l'Angleterre ne pouvait se 
> permettre d'avouer que le plus grand génie de l'humanité était français, 
> ni que ses paquebots insubmersibles pouvaient se péter tout seul en deux 
> quatre jours après leur mise à flot au milieu de l'océan (14 avril 1912).
> L'histoire est ce qu'on en fait, pas ce qu'elle a réellement fournie.
> 
> Même déclassifiées, certaines choses ne sont jamais sorties, tant on 
> n'ose toujours pas les dire.
> 
> R.H.
> 
> 
>

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#660082 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid>
Date	2025-01-03 21:06 +0000
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<DJxPvLXlH3FkdlUah2mXNyYfARo@jntp>
In reply to	#660081

Le 03/01/2025 à 21:43, Mild Shock a écrit :
> 
> Nevertheless he is attribute to have said:
> 
> "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."

This is very strange for someone who wrote:
"I cannot imagine a life after death. A God who will judge our actions and 
such. It is up to those who believe in such nonsense." Einstein was a 
profound atheist, although he openly supported the Jewish people.

R.H.

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#660096 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date	2025-01-04 13:11 +0100
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<6779258a$0$11460$426a74cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to	#660082

Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> wrote:

> Le 03/01/2025 à 21:43, Mild Shock a écrit :
> > 
> > Nevertheless he is attribute to have said:
> > 
> > "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
> 
> This is very strange for someone who wrote:
> "I cannot imagine a life after death. A God who will judge our actions and
> such. It is up to those who believe in such nonsense." Einstein was a
> profound atheist, although he openly supported the Jewish people.

Don't worry, it is only your lack of understanding.
Work at it, and maybe you'll catch up,

Jan

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#660083 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz)
Date	2025-01-03 21:14 +0000
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<b3d98a6a2b5cbc6fdd75ce7315b1f081@www.novabbs.com>
In reply to	#660081

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 20:43:36 +0000, Mild Shock wrote:

> Hi,
>
>  > Lui même dira avant de mourir que le plus grand
>  > génie de l'histoire  était pour lui Poincaré, et
>  > qu'il avait lu ses livres avec totale avidité.
>
> Ha Ha good one, had me in the first half.
>
> However, the most famous story is that Einstein’s
> final words were spoken in German to a nurse who
> was present at his bedside in the Princeton Hospital
> on April 18, 1955. Unfortunately, the nurse didn't speak
> German, so she couldn't understand what he said.
>
> Nevertheless he is attribute to have said:
>
> "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."


Actually, he said: "Ich habe sie alle gefickt und bin damit
durchgekommen".


Translation: "I fucked them all, and got away with it".

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#660084 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Date	2025-01-03 21:22 +0000
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<4edff1a82aaec8246eade5606ad7635d@www.novabbs.com>
In reply to	#660078

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 19:22:07 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

> Le 03/01/2025 à 18:56, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 17:27, Richard Hachel pisze:
>>> Le 03/01/2025 à 15:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 14:38, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>>>>
>>>>>> Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
>>>>>> or autodidactic.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
>>>>
>>>> But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
>>>> idiot.
>>>
>>> He was above all a good copyist.
>>
>>
>> Nope, his madness was quite unique in the history
>> of mankind.
>
> Je ne le dirais pas comme ça, Einstein était loin d'être fou.
>
> Malhonnête, oui, un peu. Fou, surement pas.
>
> En prenant la place de Poincaré, puis en le déformant plus qu'en le
> bonifiant, et en ne le citant jamais dans ses renvois, Albert Einstein
> n'a
> jamais été clair.
>
> Lui même dira avant de mourir que le plus grand génie de l'histoire
> était pour lui Poincaré, et qu'il avait lu ses livres avec totale
> avidité.
>
> Je pense qu'une certaine forme de délire de grandeur a fait le reste,
> poussé par la folie anglo-saxonne, qui, bien qu'antisémite parfois, a
> toujours préféré Einstein à Poincaré, à une époque om la domination
> intellectuelle du monde s'exerçait entre la France et l'Angleterre.
>
> C'était à une époque d'avant guerre où l'Angleterre ne pouvait se
> permettre d'avouer que le plus grand génie de l'humanité était
> français, ni que ses paquebots insubmersibles pouvaient se péter tout
> seul en deux quatre jours après leur mise à flot au milieu de l'océan
> (14 avril 1912).
>
> L'histoire est ce qu'on en fait, pas ce qu'elle a réellement fournie.
>
> Même déclassifiées, certaines choses ne sont jamais sorties, tant on
> n'ose toujours pas les dire.
>
> R.H.
Babylon translation: "I wouldn't put it like that, Einstein was far from
crazy. Dishonest, yes, a little. Crazy, surely not. By taking Poincaré's
place, then distorting him more than improving him, and by never quoting
him in his references, Albert Einstein was never clear. He himself said
before he died that the greatest genius in history was Poincaré for him,
and that he had read his books with total avidity. I think that a
certain form of delirium of grandeur did the rest, driven by the
Anglo-Saxon madness, which, although anti-Semitic at times, always
preferred Einstein to Poincaré, at a time when the intellectual
domination of the world was exercised between France and England. It was
at a pre-war time when England could not afford to admit that the
greatest genius of mankind was French, nor that her unsinkable liners
could blow themselves in two four days after they were launched in the
middle of the ocean (April 14, 1912). History is what you make of it,
not what it actually provided. Even if declassified, some things have
never come out, as we still don't dare to say them. R.H."

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#660087 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date	2025-01-04 07:40 +0100
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<lts3epFgih9U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#660075

Am Freitag000003, 03.01.2025 um 17:27 schrieb Richard Hachel:
> Le 03/01/2025 à 15:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 14:38, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>>
>>>> Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
>>>> or autodidactic.
>>>
>>> This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
>>
>> But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
>> idiot.
> 
> He was above all a good copyist.
> Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in Bern?

Possibly as a spy?

Patent offices around the globe are usually protected against spies and 
only born citizens are allowed as employees.


TH

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#660100 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid>
Date	2025-01-04 16:19 +0000
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<j4HtDrNf66rgaUsnAKL1EmotF6Q@jntp>
In reply to	#660087

Le 04/01/2025 à 07:40, Thomas Heger a écrit :
> Am Freitag000003, 03.01.2025 um 17:27 schrieb Richard Hachel:
>> Le 03/01/2025 à 15:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 14:38, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>>>
>>>>> Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
>>>>> or autodidactic.
>>>>
>>>> This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
>>>
>>> But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
>>> idiot.
>> 
>> He was above all a good copyist.
>> Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in Bern?
> 
> Possibly as a spy?

 C'est évident.

> TH

R.H.

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#660105 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date	2025-01-04 18:04 -0800
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<95Gdne76QcxWdeT6nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#660100

On 01/04/2025 08:19 AM, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 04/01/2025 à 07:40, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>> Am Freitag000003, 03.01.2025 um 17:27 schrieb Richard Hachel:
>>> Le 03/01/2025 à 15:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 14:38, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>>>>
>>>>>> Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
>>>>>> or autodidactic.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
>>>>
>>>> But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
>>>> idiot.
>>>
>>> He was above all a good copyist.
>>> Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in
>>> Bern?
>>
>> Possibly as a spy?
>
> C'est évident.
>
>> TH
>
> R.H.
>

That's something I hadn't considered.

Not that it's relevant, ....

Einstein may be irascible and there are
plenty of things I'd rather not know,
yet as well I thoroughly read "Out of
My Later Years" though I'd excerpt the
inner chapters on science from his
social affairs, or about the exoteric
and esoteric social affairs vis-a-vis
the meat of the opinion relevant science,
if social affairs are what's the problem
then aggravating them makes them worse
so forget about them and let the science
do the talking.

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#660106 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date	2025-01-04 18:05 -0800
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<95Gdnen6QcyYdOT6nZ2dnZfqnPUAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to	#660105

On 01/04/2025 06:04 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 01/04/2025 08:19 AM, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> Le 04/01/2025 à 07:40, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>> Am Freitag000003, 03.01.2025 um 17:27 schrieb Richard Hachel:
>>>> Le 03/01/2025 à 15:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 14:38, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
>>>>>>> or autodidactic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
>>>>>
>>>>> But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
>>>>> idiot.
>>>>
>>>> He was above all a good copyist.
>>>> Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in
>>>> Bern?
>>>
>>> Possibly as a spy?
>>
>> C'est évident.
>>
>>> TH
>>
>> R.H.
>>
>
> That's something I hadn't considered.
>
> Not that it's relevant, ....
>
> Einstein may be irascible and there are
> plenty of things I'd rather not know,
> yet as well I thoroughly read "Out of
> My Later Years" though I'd excerpt the
> inner chapters on science from his
> social affairs, or about the exoteric
> and esoteric social affairs vis-a-vis
> the meat of the opinion relevant science,
> if social affairs are what's the problem
> then aggravating them makes them worse
> so forget about them and let the science
> do the talking.
>
>


For example, "observed dark matter and
dark energy long ago falsified both
Newtonian and Einsteinian theories
and furthermore Big Bang theory".

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#660108 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date	2025-01-04 18:07 -0800
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<95Gdnej6QcwDdOT6nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#660106

On 01/04/2025 06:05 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 01/04/2025 06:04 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 01/04/2025 08:19 AM, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>> Le 04/01/2025 à 07:40, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>>> Am Freitag000003, 03.01.2025 um 17:27 schrieb Richard Hachel:
>>>>> Le 03/01/2025 à 15:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 14:38, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
>>>>>>>> or autodidactic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> He was above all a good copyist.
>>>>> Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in
>>>>> Bern?
>>>>
>>>> Possibly as a spy?
>>>
>>> C'est évident.
>>>
>>>> TH
>>>
>>> R.H.
>>>
>>
>> That's something I hadn't considered.
>>
>> Not that it's relevant, ....
>>
>> Einstein may be irascible and there are
>> plenty of things I'd rather not know,
>> yet as well I thoroughly read "Out of
>> My Later Years" though I'd excerpt the
>> inner chapters on science from his
>> social affairs, or about the exoteric
>> and esoteric social affairs vis-a-vis
>> the meat of the opinion relevant science,
>> if social affairs are what's the problem
>> then aggravating them makes them worse
>> so forget about them and let the science
>> do the talking.
>>
>>
>
>
> For example, "observed dark matter and
> dark energy long ago falsified both
> Newtonian and Einsteinian theories
> and furthermore Big Bang theory".
>
>

(Or, of course, "expansionary and
inflationary theories after the
Big Bang, the Big Bang theory not
being falsifiable itself any more
than the Steady State theory is,
as the past is un-observable".)

... all falsified for decades with
science looking stupid saying it's
still right and looking for not-wrong.

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#660137 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date	2025-01-07 06:13 +0100
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<lu3rfvFphgoU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#660105

Am Sonntag000005, 05.01.2025 um 03:04 schrieb Ross Finlayson:
> On 01/04/2025 08:19 AM, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> Le 04/01/2025 à 07:40, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>> Am Freitag000003, 03.01.2025 um 17:27 schrieb Richard Hachel:
>>>> Le 03/01/2025 à 15:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>> W dniu 03.01.2025 o 14:38, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
>>>>>>> or autodidactic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
>>>>>
>>>>> But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
>>>>> idiot.
>>>>
>>>> He was above all a good copyist.
>>>> Why do you think he was placed in the international patent office in
>>>> Bern?
>>>
>>> Possibly as a spy?
>>
>> C'est évident.
>>
>>> TH
>>
>> R.H.
>>
> 
> That's something I hadn't considered.
> 
> Not that it's relevant, ....
> 
...

It is actually relevant.

Einstein seems to fit into a HUGE cabal.

His work was seemingly part of a certain agenda, which is actually still 
in operation by some kind of hidden circles.

Don't know, which agenda and which 'circles', but the objectives are, 
about which the general public should be seemingly convinced:

elitism
atheism
materialism
hero and mastermind status of certain physicists
possibly communism and Zionism

This would fit very well to the program of the WEF and to what the 
people there call 'The great reset'.

This is actually a new name for the older 'New World Order'.

It is kind of technocratic 'elitism', disguised as 'socialism'.

To me it would make some sense, that the very same groups had an agenda 
also in much earlier stages 100+ years ago and started rather small with 
the aim, to derail physics for the common people and replace it with crap.

In this category would fall  (in my opinion) 'On the electrodynamics of 
moving bodies'.

Now it would be essential to identify the hidden groups behind such an 
agenda, which would require, to question all apparent afiliations of the 
people involved (Einstein's in this case).

TH

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#660079 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date	2025-01-03 21:29 +0100
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<vl9hbg$1p3du$1@solani.org>
In reply to	#660072

Hi,

Einstein had further sympathetic features:

1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No

2. talking walks with Gödel in Gödel
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No

3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
    to U.S. immigration authorities:
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No

4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No

5. What else?

Bye

J. J. Lodder schrieb:
> Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>>   > Einstein, absolutely useless in maths
>>
>> Or he was extremly good in math, he skipped a lot,
>> which got him reprimanded at ETH, but he nevertheless
>> made it to:
>>
>> Specialist teacher in mathematics
>> https://ethz.ch/content/dam/ethz/associates/ethlibrary-dam/documents/Standorte
> undmedien/Plattformen/EinsteinOnline/studium-am-polytechnikum-in-zuerich/Matrikel_Einstein.pdf
>>
>> Could be also the case that the Gymnasium gave
>> him already enough math:
>>
>> 6 = best
>> Algebra   6
>> Geometrie 6
>> Darstellende Geometrie    6
>> Physik    6
>> https://einstein-website.de/albert-einstein-abiturzeugnis/
>>
>> Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
>> or autodidactic.
> 
> This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
> and he could also attack problems rapidly.
> There is no lack of testimonials from contemporaries to that effect.
> (including Hilbert)
> Of course they all were very good, in the cirle of people who mattered,
> like Lorentz, Planck, Ehrenfest, Pauli, etc,
> 
> Jan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Richard Hachel schrieb:
>>> Le 25/12/2024 à 02:37, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit :
>>>> How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations?
>>>>
>>>> When:
>>>> A. He admitted having little math and no ability in non-Euclidean
>>>> geometry.
>>>> B. He always relied on someone else to do his math.
>>>> C. He denied getting it from Hilbert.
>>>> D. He never said who he got it from.
>>>>
>>>> Answer:
>>>> He stole them from Hilbert.
>>>
>>> Einstein was the greatest crook of all time.
>>>
>>> With the interested complicity of German physicists, even
>>> Anglo-Americans, too embarrassed that the theory of resistivity was an
>>> Irish invention (Joseph Larmor) finalized by a Frenchman (Henri Poincaré).
>>>
>>> Einstein, absolutely useless in maths (I don't even know if he had
>>> Hachel's level (Baccalaureate level), would never have been able to
>>> write at 27 years old in September 1905 the Lorentz transformations, if
>>> Poincaré had not sent them to him in Bern, in June of the same year.
>>>
>>> General relativity (which requires obvious mathematical skills) could
>>> not have been written by him either, who could barely do an integration
>>> at the first year university level.
>>>
>>> It was Hilbert and Gross who wrote his equations for him.
>>>
>>> There are in the human universe, three immense crooks.
>>>
>>> -Muhammad, Saint-Paul, Anbert Einstein.
>>>
>>> I don't know any greater ones.
>>>
>>> All the others are below.
>>>
>>> R.H.

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#660097 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date	2025-01-04 13:11 +0100
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<6779258b$0$11460$426a74cc@news.free.fr>
In reply to	#660079

Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Einstein had further sympathetic features:
> 
> 1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No

Named 'Tinef'. Still had it when he died.

> 2. talking walks with Gödel in Gödel
>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No

Yes, daily. Given Goedel's immense paranoia Einstein
was one of the very few people that he trusted.

> 3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
>     to U.S. immigration authorities:
>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No

Unsourced, afaik. But it has the right ring to it.

> 4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
> https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No

'Hogwarts' translates to 'Zweinstein'.

> 5. What else?

6. Filling in 'Human' under 'Race'
     when having to fill in a form for the US Immigration Authorities.
     Einstein: Yes       Poincare: No

7. Having a nasty politician for nephew:
     Einstein: No        Poincare: yes

8. And finally, being a good, practical engineer:
    Einsten: Yes        Poincare: Yes

Jan

BTW, Those 'Avenue Poincare, 'Place Poincare' etc. are nor for him.
OTOH there are some genuine 'Einsteinplatz', 'Einsteinstrasse', etc.

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#660080 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date	2025-01-03 21:30 +0100
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<vl9hdl$1p3du$2@solani.org>
In reply to	#660072

Hi,

Einstein had further sympathetic features:

1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No

2. talking walks with Gödel in Princeton
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No

3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
    to U.S. immigration authorities:
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No

4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
    Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No

5. What else?

Bye


J. J. Lodder schrieb:
> Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>>   > Einstein, absolutely useless in maths
>>
>> Or he was extremly good in math, he skipped a lot,
>> which got him reprimanded at ETH, but he nevertheless
>> made it to:
>>
>> Specialist teacher in mathematics
>> https://ethz.ch/content/dam/ethz/associates/ethlibrary-dam/documents/Standorte
> undmedien/Plattformen/EinsteinOnline/studium-am-polytechnikum-in-zuerich/Matrikel_Einstein.pdf
>>
>> Could be also the case that the Gymnasium gave
>> him already enough math:
>>
>> 6 = best
>> Algebra   6
>> Geometrie 6
>> Darstellende Geometrie    6
>> Physik    6
>> https://einstein-website.de/albert-einstein-abiturzeugnis/
>>
>> Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
>> or autodidactic.
> 
> This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,
> and he could also attack problems rapidly.
> There is no lack of testimonials from contemporaries to that effect.
> (including Hilbert)
> Of course they all were very good, in the cirle of people who mattered,
> like Lorentz, Planck, Ehrenfest, Pauli, etc,
> 
> Jan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Richard Hachel schrieb:
>>> Le 25/12/2024 à 02:37, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit :
>>>> How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations?
>>>>
>>>> When:
>>>> A. He admitted having little math and no ability in non-Euclidean
>>>> geometry.
>>>> B. He always relied on someone else to do his math.
>>>> C. He denied getting it from Hilbert.
>>>> D. He never said who he got it from.
>>>>
>>>> Answer:
>>>> He stole them from Hilbert.
>>>
>>> Einstein was the greatest crook of all time.
>>>
>>> With the interested complicity of German physicists, even
>>> Anglo-Americans, too embarrassed that the theory of resistivity was an
>>> Irish invention (Joseph Larmor) finalized by a Frenchman (Henri Poincaré).
>>>
>>> Einstein, absolutely useless in maths (I don't even know if he had
>>> Hachel's level (Baccalaureate level), would never have been able to
>>> write at 27 years old in September 1905 the Lorentz transformations, if
>>> Poincaré had not sent them to him in Bern, in June of the same year.
>>>
>>> General relativity (which requires obvious mathematical skills) could
>>> not have been written by him either, who could barely do an integration
>>> at the first year university level.
>>>
>>> It was Hilbert and Gross who wrote his equations for him.
>>>
>>> There are in the human universe, three immense crooks.
>>>
>>> -Muhammad, Saint-Paul, Anbert Einstein.
>>>
>>> I don't know any greater ones.
>>>
>>> All the others are below.
>>>
>>> R.H.

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#660088 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date	2025-01-04 07:49 +0100
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<lts3u7Fgih9U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#660080

Am Freitag000003, 03.01.2025 um 21:30 schrieb Mild Shock:
> Hi,
> 
> Einstein had further sympathetic features:
> 
> 1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
> 
> 2. talking walks with Gödel in Princeton
>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
> 
> 3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
>     to U.S. immigration authorities:
>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
> 
> 4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
> https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
> 
> 5. What else?
> 

Sure, Einstein was certainly interesting.

Einstein was also a good musician and could play violin.

He was most likely fluent in French, because he was friend with people, 
who didn't speak German (Marie Curie, for instance, or George Lemaitre).

Poincare, on the other hand, was an extremely good mathematician and 
also a very productive theoretical physicist.

So, whom would you chose as - say- professor in theoretical physics???

Einstein would make an excellent musician, but Poincare would be the 
better physicist, of course, because playing the violin wasn't necessary 
for a physicist.

Also sailing small boats or talking with Gödel is nice, but not really a 
requirement for a physics professor.


TH

...


TH

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#660092 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date	2025-01-04 09:28 +0100
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<vlarfr$26f81$1@solani.org>
In reply to	#660088

Poincare had quite some problems with the
formal revolution that took place as well
in the last 100 or more years, starting with

things like naive set theory and its antinomies,
ending with computer formalized proofs of the Keppler
packing nowadays. He wrote a lengthy book:

Science and method
by Poincaré, Henri, 1854-1912
https://archive.org/details/sciencemethod00poinuoft/page/n3/mode/2up

His struggle starts at page 160, The New Logics.
Similar Einstein was New Mechanics for him.
Mostlikely Poincaré nowadays would be a form of

Sabine Hossenfelder with 100 YouTube videos and
possibly many followers. Poincaré faced the
destiny of any old fart that became irrelevant

over the time and turned into a commentator.

Thomas Heger schrieb:
> Am Freitag000003, 03.01.2025 um 21:30 schrieb Mild Shock:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Einstein had further sympathetic features:
>>
>> 1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
>>
>> 2. talking walks with Gödel in Princeton
>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
>>
>> 3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
>>     to U.S. immigration authorities:
>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
>>
>> 4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
>> https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
>>
>> 5. What else?
>>
> 
> Sure, Einstein was certainly interesting.
> 
> Einstein was also a good musician and could play violin.
> 
> He was most likely fluent in French, because he was friend with people, 
> who didn't speak German (Marie Curie, for instance, or George Lemaitre).
> 
> Poincare, on the other hand, was an extremely good mathematician and 
> also a very productive theoretical physicist.
> 
> So, whom would you chose as - say- professor in theoretical physics???
> 
> Einstein would make an excellent musician, but Poincare would be the 
> better physicist, of course, because playing the violin wasn't necessary 
> for a physicist.
> 
> Also sailing small boats or talking with Gödel is nice, but not really a 
> requirement for a physics professor.
> 
> 
> TH
> 
> ...
> 
> 
> TH

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#660093 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date	2025-01-04 09:40 +0100
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<vlas5t$26fjo$1@solani.org>
In reply to	#660092

Poincare has surely still a fellowship,
maybe a form of counter culture, similar like
Spencer Brown. Who halucinates a supervenient

logic over the logics from the formal revolution,
mostly appealing to diagrammtic reasoning.

"The mathematician Darboux claimed he was un
intuitif (an intuitive), arguing that this is
demonstrated by the fact that he worked so
often by visual representation. Jacques Hadamard
wrote that Poincaré's research demonstrated
marvelous clarity[76] and Poincaré himself wrote
that he believed that logic was not a way to
invent but a way to structure ideas and that
logic limits ideas."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9#Character

This is a very common psychological defense
mechanism, sometimes having even a religious

motivation, in that it is believed that the
face of God or Angels speak to humans through
mathematics. But once again with generative

AI and halucinating ChatGPT this humanist
monopole is challenged somehow even more.

Mild Shock schrieb:
> 
> Poincare had quite some problems with the
> formal revolution that took place as well
> in the last 100 or more years, starting with
> 
> things like naive set theory and its antinomies,
> ending with computer formalized proofs of the Keppler
> packing nowadays. He wrote a lengthy book:
> 
> Science and method
> by Poincaré, Henri, 1854-1912
> https://archive.org/details/sciencemethod00poinuoft/page/n3/mode/2up
> 
> His struggle starts at page 160, The New Logics.
> Similar Einstein was New Mechanics for him.
> Mostlikely Poincaré nowadays would be a form of
> 
> Sabine Hossenfelder with 100 YouTube videos and
> possibly many followers. Poincaré faced the
> destiny of any old fart that became irrelevant
> 
> over the time and turned into a commentator.
> 
> Thomas Heger schrieb:
>> Am Freitag000003, 03.01.2025 um 21:30 schrieb Mild Shock:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Einstein had further sympathetic features:
>>>
>>> 1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
>>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
>>>
>>> 2. talking walks with Gödel in Princeton
>>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
>>>
>>> 3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
>>>     to U.S. immigration authorities:
>>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
>>>
>>> 4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
>>> https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
>>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
>>>
>>> 5. What else?
>>>
>>
>> Sure, Einstein was certainly interesting.
>>
>> Einstein was also a good musician and could play violin.
>>
>> He was most likely fluent in French, because he was friend with 
>> people, who didn't speak German (Marie Curie, for instance, or George 
>> Lemaitre).
>>
>> Poincare, on the other hand, was an extremely good mathematician and 
>> also a very productive theoretical physicist.
>>
>> So, whom would you chose as - say- professor in theoretical physics???
>>
>> Einstein would make an excellent musician, but Poincare would be the 
>> better physicist, of course, because playing the violin wasn't 
>> necessary for a physicist.
>>
>> Also sailing small boats or talking with Gödel is nice, but not really 
>> a requirement for a physics professor.
>>
>>
>> TH
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>> TH
>

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#660094 — Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date	2025-01-04 09:55 +0100
Subject	Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math
Message-ID	<vlat1e$26g58$1@solani.org>
In reply to	#660093

Hi,

Poincare is said to have never spent a long time on a
problem since he believed that the subconscious would
continue working on the problem while he consciously

worked on another problem. So he had a self model
that included some automatic processing. Mostlikely
Einstein used similar techniques, Einstein is said

to have slept about 10 hours a night, which is more
than the average adult needs, and often took naps
during the day. So both men managed and tapped into

their more holistic thinking. A nice example of
what is nowadays called "dual processing":

Dual-process accounts of reasoning postulate that there
are two systems or minds in one brain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_process_theory#Background

But dual processing is now challenged a little bit.
Just imagine a ChatGPT doing things when the end-user
is idle? Just like a chess program that continues

"thinking", when it is the opponents turn:

Yuval Noah Harari: ChatGPT is the “amoeba of AI evolution”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfid5DUoSBI

What will be the resulting physics?

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Poincare has surely still a fellowship,
> maybe a form of counter culture, similar like
> Spencer Brown. Who halucinates a supervenient
> 
> logic over the logics from the formal revolution,
> mostly appealing to diagrammtic reasoning.
> 
> "The mathematician Darboux claimed he was un
> intuitif (an intuitive), arguing that this is
> demonstrated by the fact that he worked so
> often by visual representation. Jacques Hadamard
> wrote that Poincaré's research demonstrated
> marvelous clarity[76] and Poincaré himself wrote
> that he believed that logic was not a way to
> invent but a way to structure ideas and that
> logic limits ideas."
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9#Character
> 
> This is a very common psychological defense
> mechanism, sometimes having even a religious
> 
> motivation, in that it is believed that the
> face of God or Angels speak to humans through
> mathematics. But once again with generative
> 
> AI and halucinating ChatGPT this humanist
> monopole is challenged somehow even more.
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>
>> Poincare had quite some problems with the
>> formal revolution that took place as well
>> in the last 100 or more years, starting with
>>
>> things like naive set theory and its antinomies,
>> ending with computer formalized proofs of the Keppler
>> packing nowadays. He wrote a lengthy book:
>>
>> Science and method
>> by Poincaré, Henri, 1854-1912
>> https://archive.org/details/sciencemethod00poinuoft/page/n3/mode/2up
>>
>> His struggle starts at page 160, The New Logics.
>> Similar Einstein was New Mechanics for him.
>> Mostlikely Poincaré nowadays would be a form of
>>
>> Sabine Hossenfelder with 100 YouTube videos and
>> possibly many followers. Poincaré faced the
>> destiny of any old fart that became irrelevant
>>
>> over the time and turned into a commentator.
>>
>> Thomas Heger schrieb:
>>> Am Freitag000003, 03.01.2025 um 21:30 schrieb Mild Shock:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Einstein had further sympathetic features:
>>>>
>>>> 1. avid sailor, owned several small boats
>>>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
>>>>
>>>> 2. talking walks with Gödel in Princeton
>>>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
>>>>
>>>> 3. Answering "I am a pacifist and a scientist."
>>>>     to U.S. immigration authorities:
>>>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
>>>>
>>>> 4. Easy memes like Einstein / Zweistein / Dreistein
>>>> https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/583919907970845584/
>>>>     Einstein: Yes      Poincaré: No
>>>>
>>>> 5. What else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, Einstein was certainly interesting.
>>>
>>> Einstein was also a good musician and could play violin.
>>>
>>> He was most likely fluent in French, because he was friend with 
>>> people, who didn't speak German (Marie Curie, for instance, or George 
>>> Lemaitre).
>>>
>>> Poincare, on the other hand, was an extremely good mathematician and 
>>> also a very productive theoretical physicist.
>>>
>>> So, whom would you chose as - say- professor in theoretical physics???
>>>
>>> Einstein would make an excellent musician, but Poincare would be the 
>>> better physicist, of course, because playing the violin wasn't 
>>> necessary for a physicist.
>>>
>>> Also sailing small boats or talking with Gödel is nice, but not 
>>> really a requirement for a physics professor.
>>>
>>>
>>> TH
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> TH
>>
>

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