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| Started by | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| First post | 2023-09-20 04:30 -0700 |
| Last post | 2023-09-21 22:43 -0400 |
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Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-20 04:30 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-09-20 06:16 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-09-20 16:29 +0200
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-20 10:28 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-20 14:23 -0400
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-20 12:12 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-20 19:12 -0400
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-20 16:33 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-21 11:45 -0400
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-21 10:12 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-21 17:29 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-21 18:00 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-21 21:03 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-22 00:48 -0400
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-21 22:00 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-22 10:19 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-22 17:55 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-22 10:17 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-22 14:13 -0400
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-22 12:16 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-22 12:22 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-22 17:57 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-22 18:35 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-22 19:11 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-22 23:33 -0400
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-23 10:30 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-24 07:00 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-24 11:11 -0400
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-24 08:14 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-24 11:30 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-24 10:40 -0700
Re: Hey Athel, is this chap one of your students? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-21 22:43 -0400
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-09-22 12:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <06debc90-bfbc-4a6a-ae85-7a0c4f37c265n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620718 |
On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:13:38 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > > On 9/22/2023 1:17 PM, patdolan wrote: > > > On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:48:10 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > > >> On 9/22/2023 12:03 AM, Paul Alsing wrote: > > >> > > >>> I look forward to your epistle regarding the Great Flood... I love a good work of fiction. > > >>> > > >>> As always, any scrap of evidence would be good for your side... and good luck with that! > > >> Several cultures have flood legends. One scientific theory is that the > > >> Black Sea was an isolated body of water like the Caspian Sea is now. Its > > >> level was below sea level, and people settled along its shores. At some > > >> point in prehistory, sea levels rose and the Mediterranean Sea > > >> overflowed what are now Bosporus/Dardanelles Straits and the Black Sea > > >> rose up to sea level, flooding those along its shores, and the Black Sea > > >> is no longer isolated from the world's oceans. The version now in the > > >> Bible morphed into a worldwide flood as a punishment from God. > > > > > EVERY culture has a world flood story. > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths > > That article never claims "EVERY" culture has a flood myth, just across > > a "wide range" of cultures. It even starts off how Africa has relatively > > few flood legends, and in Egypt the floods were good, not catastrophic. > > So you just made up garbage and pretended it was true. > > > > > > Conclusion there was no Flood. Competing conclusion: the sons and daughters-in-law of Grandpa and Grandma Noah passed on the Flood story with compelling authority. > > False dichotomy. Another conclusion, there were many different floods in > All cultures have been used to spring flooding, flash floods, tsunamis from the sea, etc. Yet they never composed myths to those commonly occurring events. No Volney. All these ancient cultures composed their myths to a single, unique, gigantic world event. An event that rang down the corridors of history. A myth told them by their originals parents: Japeth to the white man; Ham to the black; and Shem to the yellow. > > many different places causing many different cultures to have many > > different flood legends. And many with no flood legend, likely because > > they never experienced any flood catastrophic to live on in legend. > > > > Not to mention, what kind of evil God punishes all humans except for 8, > > and every (air breathing) animal except for two of each species, for the > > evil of most humans. Why didn't God do a lot of "smiting" only the evil > > humans, leaving us with legends of, perhaps, a catastrophic thunderstorm > > of smiting leaving nearly every human dead instead. Nor do you address > > how a lethally tight bottleneck of 2 (5 for humans) didn't cause the > > extinction of every species of air-breathing animal. As for the evil God punishing all...Just as the flood was monumental, so too was the evil on the earth it was meant to punish. The evil spread from the first murder to engulf the world, we are told. Recall that animals didn't even eat each other until Cain killed Abel.
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| From | Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-09-22 17:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5ffb33f7-0cc9-45c6-90ad-86ed427cc8e0n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620719 |
On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > Recall that animals didn't even eat each other until Cain killed Abel. Evidence for this off-the-wall claim?
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-09-22 18:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9a1885d7-6243-4893-ad10-81fa30f43332n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620737 |
On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: > On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > > > Recall that animals didn't even eat each other until Cain killed Abel. > Evidence for this off-the-wall claim? Gen 9:3
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| From | Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-09-22 19:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <01c583d0-8171-4074-942a-f143ffce45a8n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620739 |
On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 6:35:43 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: > > On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > > > > > Recall that animals didn't even eat each other until Cain killed Abel. > > Evidence for this off-the-wall claim? > Gen 9:3 That is not evidence. That is just an unsubstantiated story, and it only talks about man eating meat and says nothing about animals eating animals.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-09-22 23:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <uelmb2$la98$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #620718 |
On 9/22/2023 3:16 PM, patdolan wrote: > On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:13:38 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: >> On 9/22/2023 1:17 PM, patdolan wrote: >>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:48:10 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: >>>> On 9/22/2023 12:03 AM, Paul Alsing wrote: >>>> >>>>> I look forward to your epistle regarding the Great Flood... I love a good work of fiction. >>>>> >>>>> As always, any scrap of evidence would be good for your side... and good luck with that! >>>> Several cultures have flood legends. One scientific theory is that the >>>> Black Sea was an isolated body of water like the Caspian Sea is now. Its >>>> level was below sea level, and people settled along its shores. At some >>>> point in prehistory, sea levels rose and the Mediterranean Sea >>>> overflowed what are now Bosporus/Dardanelles Straits and the Black Sea >>>> rose up to sea level, flooding those along its shores, and the Black Sea >>>> is no longer isolated from the world's oceans. The version now in the >>>> Bible morphed into a worldwide flood as a punishment from God. >> >>> EVERY culture has a world flood story. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths >> That article never claims "EVERY" culture has a flood myth, just across >> a "wide range" of cultures. It even starts off how Africa has relatively >> few flood legends, and in Egypt the floods were good, not catastrophic. >> So you just made up garbage and pretended it was true. >>> >>> Conclusion there was no Flood. Competing conclusion: the sons and daughters-in-law of Grandpa and Grandma Noah passed on the Flood story with compelling authority. >> False dichotomy. Another conclusion, there were many different floods in > > All cultures have been used to spring flooding, flash floods, tsunamis from the sea, etc. Yet they never composed myths to those commonly occurring events. No Volney. All these ancient cultures composed their myths to a single, unique, gigantic world event. Nope. Only some of them. You yourself pointed out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths which stated many but not all cultures had a catastrophic flood myth (yet you lied that it stated all cultures did. Why do you lie?) Also the catastrophic flood myths are all different, no Noah in cultures away from the Middle East area. The only thing these catastrophic flood myths have are a catastrophic flood (and no reason to believe it's the same catastrophic flood) > An event that rang down the corridors of history. A myth told them by their originals parents: Japeth to the white man; Ham to the black; and Shem to the yellow. Racist. You don't explain why an evil God would destroy innocent air-breathing animals as well as any innocent humans. Did a newborn baby born the day before the biblical flood deserve to drown?
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-09-23 10:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20caa308-6a6e-493c-b744-f5fdcfab5cddn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620744 |
On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 8:33:58 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > On 9/22/2023 3:16 PM, patdolan wrote: > > On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:13:38 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > >> On 9/22/2023 1:17 PM, patdolan wrote: > >>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:48:10 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > >>>> On 9/22/2023 12:03 AM, Paul Alsing wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I look forward to your epistle regarding the Great Flood... I love a good work of fiction. > >>>>> > >>>>> As always, any scrap of evidence would be good for your side... and good luck with that! > >>>> Several cultures have flood legends. One scientific theory is that the > >>>> Black Sea was an isolated body of water like the Caspian Sea is now. Its > >>>> level was below sea level, and people settled along its shores. At some > >>>> point in prehistory, sea levels rose and the Mediterranean Sea > >>>> overflowed what are now Bosporus/Dardanelles Straits and the Black Sea > >>>> rose up to sea level, flooding those along its shores, and the Black Sea > >>>> is no longer isolated from the world's oceans. The version now in the > >>>> Bible morphed into a worldwide flood as a punishment from God. > >> > >>> EVERY culture has a world flood story. > >>> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths > > >> That article never claims "EVERY" culture has a flood myth, just across > >> a "wide range" of cultures. It even starts off how Africa has relatively > >> few flood legends, and in Egypt the floods were good, not catastrophic. > >> So you just made up garbage and pretended it was true. > >>> > >>> Conclusion there was no Flood. Competing conclusion: the sons and daughters-in-law of Grandpa and Grandma Noah passed on the Flood story with compelling authority. > > >> False dichotomy. Another conclusion, there were many different floods in > > > > All cultures have been used to spring flooding, flash floods, tsunamis from the sea, etc. Yet they never composed myths to those commonly occurring events. No Volney. All these ancient cultures composed their myths to a single, unique, gigantic world event. > Nope. Only some of them. You yourself pointed out > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths which stated many but > not all cultures had a catastrophic flood myth (yet you lied that it > stated all cultures did. Why do you lie?) I'm not sure why I lie, Volney. Do you have any ideas why I lie? > > Also the catastrophic flood myths are all different, no Noah in cultures > away from the Middle East area. The only thing these catastrophic flood > myths have are a catastrophic flood (and no reason to believe it's the > same catastrophic flood) > > An event that rang down the corridors of history. A myth told them by their originals parents: Japeth to the white man; Ham to the black; and Shem to the yellow. > Racist. In what way? > > You don't explain why an evil God would destroy innocent air-breathing > animals as well as any innocent humans. Did a newborn baby born the day > before the biblical flood deserve to drown? Did a newborn baby born the day before the flood deserve to be born?
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-09-24 07:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ac6a79ca-9f72-46df-88be-748e7b7f766cn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620779 |
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:30:39 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 8:33:58 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > > On 9/22/2023 3:16 PM, patdolan wrote: > > > On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:13:38 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > > >> On 9/22/2023 1:17 PM, patdolan wrote: > > >>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:48:10 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > > >>>> On 9/22/2023 12:03 AM, Paul Alsing wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> I look forward to your epistle regarding the Great Flood... I love a good work of fiction. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> As always, any scrap of evidence would be good for your side... and good luck with that! > > >>>> Several cultures have flood legends. One scientific theory is that the > > >>>> Black Sea was an isolated body of water like the Caspian Sea is now. Its > > >>>> level was below sea level, and people settled along its shores. At some > > >>>> point in prehistory, sea levels rose and the Mediterranean Sea > > >>>> overflowed what are now Bosporus/Dardanelles Straits and the Black Sea > > >>>> rose up to sea level, flooding those along its shores, and the Black Sea > > >>>> is no longer isolated from the world's oceans. The version now in the > > >>>> Bible morphed into a worldwide flood as a punishment from God. > > >> > > >>> EVERY culture has a world flood story. > > >>> > > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths > > > > >> That article never claims "EVERY" culture has a flood myth, just across > > >> a "wide range" of cultures. It even starts off how Africa has relatively > > >> few flood legends, and in Egypt the floods were good, not catastrophic. > > >> So you just made up garbage and pretended it was true. > > >>> > > >>> Conclusion there was no Flood. Competing conclusion: the sons and daughters-in-law of Grandpa and Grandma Noah passed on the Flood story with compelling authority. > > > > >> False dichotomy. Another conclusion, there were many different floods in > > > > > > All cultures have been used to spring flooding, flash floods, tsunamis from the sea, etc. Yet they never composed myths to those commonly occurring events. No Volney. All these ancient cultures composed their myths to a single, unique, gigantic world event. > > Nope. Only some of them. You yourself pointed out > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths which stated many but > > not all cultures had a catastrophic flood myth (yet you lied that it > > stated all cultures did. Why do you lie?) > I'm not sure why I lie, Volney. Do you have any ideas why I lie? > > > > Also the catastrophic flood myths are all different, no Noah in cultures > > away from the Middle East area. The only thing these catastrophic flood > > myths have are a catastrophic flood (and no reason to believe it's the > > same catastrophic flood) > > > An event that rang down the corridors of history. A myth told them by their originals parents: Japeth to the white man; Ham to the black; and Shem to the yellow. > > Racist. > In what way? > > > > You don't explain why an evil God would destroy innocent air-breathing > > animals as well as any innocent humans. Did a newborn baby born the day > > before the biblical flood deserve to drown? > Did a newborn baby born the day before the flood deserve to be born? Well MorVolney? Did an innocent newborn baby, born the day before Noah's Flood deserve, nay, have a RIGHT to be born in the first place?
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-09-24 11:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <uepjj9$1d993$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #620835 |
On 9/24/2023 10:00 AM, patdolan wrote: > On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:30:39 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: >> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 8:33:58 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: >>> On 9/22/2023 3:16 PM, patdolan wrote: >>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:13:38 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: >>>>> On 9/22/2023 1:17 PM, patdolan wrote: >>>>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:48:10 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: >>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 12:03 AM, Paul Alsing wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I look forward to your epistle regarding the Great Flood... I love a good work of fiction. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As always, any scrap of evidence would be good for your side... and good luck with that! >>>>>>> Several cultures have flood legends. One scientific theory is that the >>>>>>> Black Sea was an isolated body of water like the Caspian Sea is now. Its >>>>>>> level was below sea level, and people settled along its shores. At some >>>>>>> point in prehistory, sea levels rose and the Mediterranean Sea >>>>>>> overflowed what are now Bosporus/Dardanelles Straits and the Black Sea >>>>>>> rose up to sea level, flooding those along its shores, and the Black Sea >>>>>>> is no longer isolated from the world's oceans. The version now in the >>>>>>> Bible morphed into a worldwide flood as a punishment from God. >>>>> >>>>>> EVERY culture has a world flood story. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths >>> >>>>> That article never claims "EVERY" culture has a flood myth, just across >>>>> a "wide range" of cultures. It even starts off how Africa has relatively >>>>> few flood legends, and in Egypt the floods were good, not catastrophic. >>>>> So you just made up garbage and pretended it was true. >>>>>> >>>>>> Conclusion there was no Flood. Competing conclusion: the sons and daughters-in-law of Grandpa and Grandma Noah passed on the Flood story with compelling authority. >>> >>>>> False dichotomy. Another conclusion, there were many different floods in >>>> >>>> All cultures have been used to spring flooding, flash floods, tsunamis from the sea, etc. Yet they never composed myths to those commonly occurring events. No Volney. All these ancient cultures composed their myths to a single, unique, gigantic world event. >>> Nope. Only some of them. You yourself pointed out >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths which stated many but >>> not all cultures had a catastrophic flood myth (yet you lied that it >>> stated all cultures did. Why do you lie?) >> I'm not sure why I lie, Volney. Do you have any ideas why I lie? >>> >>> Also the catastrophic flood myths are all different, no Noah in cultures >>> away from the Middle East area. The only thing these catastrophic flood >>> myths have are a catastrophic flood (and no reason to believe it's the >>> same catastrophic flood) >>>> An event that rang down the corridors of history. A myth told them by their originals parents: Japeth to the white man; Ham to the black; and Shem to the yellow. >>> Racist. >> In what way? >>> >>> You don't explain why an evil God would destroy innocent air-breathing >>> animals as well as any innocent humans. Did a newborn baby born the day >>> before the biblical flood deserve to drown? >> Did a newborn baby born the day before the flood deserve to be born? > Well MorVolney? Did an innocent newborn baby, born the day before Noah's Flood deserve, nay, have a RIGHT to be born in the first place? What the hell kind of STUPID question is that? (And you even repeated that stupidity!) Did you have the right to be born? Did I? Did anyone? You're just trying to divert the discussion. I'm talking about the most INNOCENT possible person! A Newborn! Innocent of every possible sin except for pooping its diapers! And your evil god drowned that innocent baby along with nearly everyone else, rather than just "smiting" the evildoers. And drowning is a rather awful way to go. (And, should I point out, your evil god did it again! Rather than preventing the slaughter of innocent boys by Herod, he just told Mary&Joseph to get out of Dodge, don't forget to bring the baby)
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-09-24 08:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <66611c1e-6bde-46b1-96aa-54b5a4e9b920n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620837 |
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 8:11:41 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > On 9/24/2023 10:00 AM, patdolan wrote: > > On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:30:39 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > >> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 8:33:58 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > >>> On 9/22/2023 3:16 PM, patdolan wrote: > >>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:13:38 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > >>>>> On 9/22/2023 1:17 PM, patdolan wrote: > >>>>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:48:10 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > >>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 12:03 AM, Paul Alsing wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I look forward to your epistle regarding the Great Flood... I love a good work of fiction. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As always, any scrap of evidence would be good for your side... and good luck with that! > >>>>>>> Several cultures have flood legends. One scientific theory is that the > >>>>>>> Black Sea was an isolated body of water like the Caspian Sea is now. Its > >>>>>>> level was below sea level, and people settled along its shores. At some > >>>>>>> point in prehistory, sea levels rose and the Mediterranean Sea > >>>>>>> overflowed what are now Bosporus/Dardanelles Straits and the Black Sea > >>>>>>> rose up to sea level, flooding those along its shores, and the Black Sea > >>>>>>> is no longer isolated from the world's oceans. The version now in the > >>>>>>> Bible morphed into a worldwide flood as a punishment from God. > >>>>> > >>>>>> EVERY culture has a world flood story. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths > >>> > >>>>> That article never claims "EVERY" culture has a flood myth, just across > >>>>> a "wide range" of cultures. It even starts off how Africa has relatively > >>>>> few flood legends, and in Egypt the floods were good, not catastrophic. > >>>>> So you just made up garbage and pretended it was true. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Conclusion there was no Flood. Competing conclusion: the sons and daughters-in-law of Grandpa and Grandma Noah passed on the Flood story with compelling authority. > >>> > >>>>> False dichotomy. Another conclusion, there were many different floods in > >>>> > >>>> All cultures have been used to spring flooding, flash floods, tsunamis from the sea, etc. Yet they never composed myths to those commonly occurring events. No Volney. All these ancient cultures composed their myths to a single, unique, gigantic world event. > >>> Nope. Only some of them. You yourself pointed out > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths which stated many but > >>> not all cultures had a catastrophic flood myth (yet you lied that it > >>> stated all cultures did. Why do you lie?) > >> I'm not sure why I lie, Volney. Do you have any ideas why I lie? > >>> > >>> Also the catastrophic flood myths are all different, no Noah in cultures > >>> away from the Middle East area. The only thing these catastrophic flood > >>> myths have are a catastrophic flood (and no reason to believe it's the > >>> same catastrophic flood) > >>>> An event that rang down the corridors of history. A myth told them by their originals parents: Japeth to the white man; Ham to the black; and Shem to the yellow. > >>> Racist. > >> In what way? > >>> > >>> You don't explain why an evil God would destroy innocent air-breathing > >>> animals as well as any innocent humans. Did a newborn baby born the day > >>> before the biblical flood deserve to drown? > > >> Did a newborn baby born the day before the flood deserve to be born? > > > Well MorVolney? Did an innocent newborn baby, born the day before Noah's Flood deserve, nay, have a RIGHT to be born in the first place? > What the hell kind of STUPID question is that? (And you even repeated > that stupidity!) Did you have the right to be born? Did I? Did anyone? > You're just trying to divert the discussion. > > I'm talking about the most INNOCENT possible person! So am I. So humor me by answering my question. It may be pertinent to the answer of yours. A Newborn! Innocent > of every possible sin except for pooping its diapers! And your evil god > drowned that innocent baby along with nearly everyone else, rather than > just "smiting" the evildoers. And drowning is a rather awful way to go. > > (And, should I point out, your evil god did it again! Rather than > preventing the slaughter of innocent boys by Herod, he just told > Mary&Joseph to get out of Dodge, don't forget to bring the baby)
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-09-24 11:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <98c0548a-c870-44a7-aca5-6957958365e1n@googlegroups.com> |
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On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 8:14:31 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 8:11:41 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > > On 9/24/2023 10:00 AM, patdolan wrote: > > > On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:30:39 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > > >> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 8:33:58 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > > >>> On 9/22/2023 3:16 PM, patdolan wrote: > > >>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:13:38 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > > >>>>> On 9/22/2023 1:17 PM, patdolan wrote: > > >>>>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:48:10 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > > >>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 12:03 AM, Paul Alsing wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I look forward to your epistle regarding the Great Flood... I love a good work of fiction. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> As always, any scrap of evidence would be good for your side... and good luck with that! > > >>>>>>> Several cultures have flood legends. One scientific theory is that the > > >>>>>>> Black Sea was an isolated body of water like the Caspian Sea is now. Its > > >>>>>>> level was below sea level, and people settled along its shores. At some > > >>>>>>> point in prehistory, sea levels rose and the Mediterranean Sea > > >>>>>>> overflowed what are now Bosporus/Dardanelles Straits and the Black Sea > > >>>>>>> rose up to sea level, flooding those along its shores, and the Black Sea > > >>>>>>> is no longer isolated from the world's oceans. The version now in the > > >>>>>>> Bible morphed into a worldwide flood as a punishment from God. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> EVERY culture has a world flood story. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths > > >>> > > >>>>> That article never claims "EVERY" culture has a flood myth, just across > > >>>>> a "wide range" of cultures. It even starts off how Africa has relatively > > >>>>> few flood legends, and in Egypt the floods were good, not catastrophic. > > >>>>> So you just made up garbage and pretended it was true. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Conclusion there was no Flood. Competing conclusion: the sons and daughters-in-law of Grandpa and Grandma Noah passed on the Flood story with compelling authority. > > >>> > > >>>>> False dichotomy. Another conclusion, there were many different floods in > > >>>> > > >>>> All cultures have been used to spring flooding, flash floods, tsunamis from the sea, etc. Yet they never composed myths to those commonly occurring events. No Volney. All these ancient cultures composed their myths to a single, unique, gigantic world event. > > >>> Nope. Only some of them. You yourself pointed out > > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths which stated many but > > >>> not all cultures had a catastrophic flood myth (yet you lied that it > > >>> stated all cultures did. Why do you lie?) > > >> I'm not sure why I lie, Volney. Do you have any ideas why I lie? > > >>> > > >>> Also the catastrophic flood myths are all different, no Noah in cultures > > >>> away from the Middle East area. The only thing these catastrophic flood > > >>> myths have are a catastrophic flood (and no reason to believe it's the > > >>> same catastrophic flood) > > >>>> An event that rang down the corridors of history. A myth told them by their originals parents: Japeth to the white man; Ham to the black; and Shem to the yellow. > > >>> Racist. > > >> In what way? > > >>> > > >>> You don't explain why an evil God would destroy innocent air-breathing > > >>> animals as well as any innocent humans. Did a newborn baby born the day > > >>> before the biblical flood deserve to drown? > > > > >> Did a newborn baby born the day before the flood deserve to be born? > > > > > Well MorVolney? Did an innocent newborn baby, born the day before Noah's Flood deserve, nay, have a RIGHT to be born in the first place? > > What the hell kind of STUPID question is that? (And you even repeated > > that stupidity!) Did you have the right to be born? Did I? Did anyone? > > You're just trying to divert the discussion. > > > > I'm talking about the most INNOCENT possible person! > So am I. So humor me by answering my question. It may be pertinent to the answer of yours. Why do you tarry with your answer, Volroney? You won't even answer as to why you won't answer? Please appreciate that I have just acquainted you with something that you and the God you distain have in common: killing innocent babies. But unlike you, God has answered the question that you refuse to. Isaiah 55:8 > A Newborn! Innocent > > of every possible sin except for pooping its diapers! > > And your evil god > > drowned that innocent baby along with nearly everyone else, rather than > > just "smiting" the evildoers. And drowning is a rather awful way to go. > > > > (And, should I point out, your evil god did it again! Rather than > > preventing the slaughter of innocent boys by Herod, he just told > > Mary&Joseph to get out of Dodge, don't forget to bring the baby)
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| From | Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-09-24 10:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b0b1e049-0034-493a-a1d9-546988b25352n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620837 |
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 8:11:41 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > On 9/24/2023 10:00 AM, patdolan wrote: > > On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:30:39 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > >> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 8:33:58 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > >>> On 9/22/2023 3:16 PM, patdolan wrote: > >>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:13:38 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > >>>>> On 9/22/2023 1:17 PM, patdolan wrote: > >>>>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:48:10 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > >>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 12:03 AM, Paul Alsing wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I look forward to your epistle regarding the Great Flood... I love a good work of fiction. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As always, any scrap of evidence would be good for your side... and good luck with that! > >>>>>>> Several cultures have flood legends. One scientific theory is that the > >>>>>>> Black Sea was an isolated body of water like the Caspian Sea is now. Its > >>>>>>> level was below sea level, and people settled along its shores. At some > >>>>>>> point in prehistory, sea levels rose and the Mediterranean Sea > >>>>>>> overflowed what are now Bosporus/Dardanelles Straits and the Black Sea > >>>>>>> rose up to sea level, flooding those along its shores, and the Black Sea > >>>>>>> is no longer isolated from the world's oceans. The version now in the > >>>>>>> Bible morphed into a worldwide flood as a punishment from God. > >>>>> > >>>>>> EVERY culture has a world flood story. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths > >>> > >>>>> That article never claims "EVERY" culture has a flood myth, just across > >>>>> a "wide range" of cultures. It even starts off how Africa has relatively > >>>>> few flood legends, and in Egypt the floods were good, not catastrophic. > >>>>> So you just made up garbage and pretended it was true. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Conclusion there was no Flood. Competing conclusion: the sons and daughters-in-law of Grandpa and Grandma Noah passed on the Flood story with compelling authority. > >>> > >>>>> False dichotomy. Another conclusion, there were many different floods in > >>>> > >>>> All cultures have been used to spring flooding, flash floods, tsunamis from the sea, etc. Yet they never composed myths to those commonly occurring events. No Volney. All these ancient cultures composed their myths to a single, unique, gigantic world event. > >>> Nope. Only some of them. You yourself pointed out > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths which stated many but > >>> not all cultures had a catastrophic flood myth (yet you lied that it > >>> stated all cultures did. Why do you lie?) > >> I'm not sure why I lie, Volney. Do you have any ideas why I lie? > >>> > >>> Also the catastrophic flood myths are all different, no Noah in cultures > >>> away from the Middle East area. The only thing these catastrophic flood > >>> myths have are a catastrophic flood (and no reason to believe it's the > >>> same catastrophic flood) > >>>> An event that rang down the corridors of history. A myth told them by their originals parents: Japeth to the white man; Ham to the black; and Shem to the yellow. > >>> Racist. > >> In what way? > >>> > >>> You don't explain why an evil God would destroy innocent air-breathing > >>> animals as well as any innocent humans. Did a newborn baby born the day > >>> before the biblical flood deserve to drown? > > >> Did a newborn baby born the day before the flood deserve to be born? > > > Well MorVolney? Did an innocent newborn baby, born the day before Noah's Flood deserve, nay, have a RIGHT to be born in the first place? > What the hell kind of STUPID question is that? (And you even repeated > that stupidity!) Did you have the right to be born? Did I? Did anyone? > You're just trying to divert the discussion. > > I'm talking about the most INNOCENT possible person! A Newborn! Innocent > of every possible sin except for pooping its diapers! And your evil god > drowned that innocent baby along with nearly everyone else, rather than > just "smiting" the evildoers. And drowning is a rather awful way to go. > > (And, should I point out, your evil god did it again! Rather than > preventing the slaughter of innocent boys by Herod, he just told > Mary&Joseph to get out of Dodge, don't forget to bring the baby) It is unfortunate that in Romans 12:19-21 god is quoted as saying "vengeance is mine, I will repay"
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-09-21 22:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ueiuvo$3tm9m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #620640 |
On 9/21/2023 8:29 PM, Paul Alsing wrote: > On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:12:08 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: >> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 8:45:20 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: >>> On 9/20/2023 7:33 PM, patdolan wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 4:12:16 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: >>>>> On 9/20/2023 3:12 PM, patdolan wrote: >>> >>>>>> Each Noachiac child possesses single nukleotide polymorphisms entirely independent of Mr. and Mrs. Noah. These SNPs are the stuff of evolution. >>> Word Salad. >>>>> You mean there was lots of that biblical "knowing" and "begetting" hanky >>>>> panky going on? Well that would still involve Mrs. Noah at minimum. And >>>>> after the flood there would still be that severe bottleneck and those >>>>> bad genes popping up for generations. >>> >>>> I agree Volney. The Flood gene pool bottleneck ended the 800 year median life span for humans. >>> There's no evidence humans ever had a lifespan of 800 years, much less a >>> median 800 year lifespan. I don't believe any animal has a recorded >>> lifespan of that long, >> That's because all animals died in the Flood too. >> >> "For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life under heaven. Everything that is on the earth shall die." > > You actually believe, word for word, that the "story" of Noah in the bible is 100% accurate? Based upon exactly what evidence? None, of course. It is especially amusing to see the belief of a bottleneck severe enough to extinct humans (5 individuals) "only" resulted in a lifespan reduction from an 800 year median. It's even worse for the "two by two" animals, each species has a bottleneck of just two! > Dolan, I can make you a great deal on a bridge in Brooklyn... if you act fast, before someone else snaps it up! I'm sure he already donated his money to some filthy rich preacher.
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