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I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again

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First post2023-05-10 04:56 +0000
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  I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-10 04:56 +0000
    Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-05-09 21:59 -0700
    Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-05-10 15:03 +1000
      Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-10 07:09 +0000
        Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-05-10 19:25 +1000
          Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-10 23:46 +0000
            Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-05-11 11:04 -0700
              Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-11 23:23 +0000
                Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-05-11 19:23 -0700
                  Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Domingo Vassilopulos <gdag@iipmugao.op> - 2023-05-12 11:49 +0000
                  Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-13 00:20 +0000
                    Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-05-12 19:45 -0700
                      Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-14 01:27 +0000
                    Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-05-13 10:26 +0200
                      Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-14 01:33 +0000
                        Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-05-15 21:07 +0200
                          Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-17 01:51 +0000
                            Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-05-16 21:02 -0700
                              Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-17 23:09 +0000
                                Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-05-18 16:02 +0200
                                  Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-19 01:50 +0000
                                    Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-18 22:00 -0500
                                      Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-19 07:40 +0000
                                        Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-19 08:39 -0500
                                          Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-20 19:34 +0000
                                            Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-20 17:57 -0500
                                              Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-21 03:37 +0000
                                                Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-20 23:17 -0500
                                    Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-05-18 22:00 -0700
                                      Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-19 07:34 +0000
                                        Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-05-19 12:04 -0700
                                      Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-20 00:32 +0000
                                      Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-23 02:12 +0000
                                        Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-05-22 21:15 -0700
                                          Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-23 06:31 +0000
                            Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-05-17 10:41 -0700
                    Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-05-13 10:39 -0500
                      Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-14 02:41 +0000
                        Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-13 23:02 -0500
                          Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-15 00:01 +0000
                            Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-14 22:28 -0500
                              Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-16 02:25 +0000
                                Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-16 00:52 -0500
          Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-15 00:05 +0000
        Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-05-10 05:03 -0700
        Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-05-10 08:53 -0700
          Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-10 23:49 +0000
            Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-05-10 17:46 -0700
      Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-15 00:07 +0000
    Uncle Jane plays at being as scientist (was Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-10 00:39 -0500
      Re: Uncle Jane plays at being as scientist (was Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again) Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-10 23:32 +0000
        Re: Uncle Jane plays at being as scientist (was Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again) Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-05-11 01:40 +0200
          Re: Uncle Jane plays at being as scientist (was Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again) Jane <Jane@home.com> - 2023-05-11 12:41 +0000
    Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-05-09 23:50 -0700
    Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-05-10 10:07 -0700
    Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-05-19 06:57 -0700
      Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-05-19 07:31 -0700
        Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-05-19 08:16 -0700
          Re: I Received No Reply to My Question . Here it is Again whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-05-19 10:43 -0500
          Dumbfuck computer programmer, physics crank, Julio Di Egidio is back. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-05-19 09:51 -0700
            Re: Dumbfuck computer programmer, physics crank, Julio Di Egidio is back. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-05-19 11:42 -0700
              Re: Dumbfuck computer programmer, physics crank, *Plonk* Julio Di Egidio is back. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-05-19 11:49 -0700
            Re: Dumbfuck computer programmer, physics crank, Julio Di Egidio is back. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-05-19 15:34 -0400
              Re: Dumbfuck computer programmer, physics crank, Julio Di Egidio is back. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-05-19 12:44 -0700
                Re: Dumbfuck computer programmer, physics crank, Julio Di Egidio is back. Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-05-19 17:31 -0700
              Re: Dumbfuck computer programmer, physics crank, Julio Di Egidio is back. Eusebio Rompa <ebei@aooosree.si> - 2023-05-20 20:44 +0000

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#611092

FromJane <Jane@home.com>
Date2023-05-19 01:50 +0000
Message-ID<17606862cf88932c$21$888494$11d39bdb@news.newsgroupdirect.com>
In reply to#611054
On Thu, 18 May 2023 16:02:39 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Jane <Jane@home.com> wrote:
> 

>> > 
>> > Well, an actual physicist would still call that light, Jane... which
>> > pretty much eliminates you!
>> 
>> A RADIO astronomer would not.
> 
> Some RADIO astronomers certaily would.
> Google "radio telescope" + "first light" for 18 megahits.
> 
>> > An actual physicist would understand that light waves come in a
>> > continuous variety of sizes, frequencies and energies, a continuum
>> > known as the electromagnetic spectrum. Perhaps you have heard of this
>> > before? Of course, "visible light" only occupies about 1/1000th of
>> > that spectrum... but it is nevertheless *all* considered to be
>> > light...
>> 
>> Rubbish. It is all EM, dopey. EM has 'bands', including one which is
>> visible, called 'light'. gamma particles are not called light, stupid!
> 
> Of course they are too.
> Google gamma observatory + first light for another 6 megahits.
> 
> But what do they all know about it?
> They are merely professionals who have made their life's work out of it,
> instead of some rambling usenet nobody,

Listen fool I have worked with radio engineers at a real radio telescope. 
They would be insulted if anyone called their medium 'light'.

> Jan





-- 
-- lover of truth

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#611097

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-05-18 22:00 -0500
Message-ID<kco735Fjo1mU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#611092
On 5/18/2023 8:50 PM, Jane wrote:
> On Thu, 18 May 2023 16:02:39 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> 
>> Jane <Jane@home.com> wrote:
>>
> 
>>>>
>>>> Well, an actual physicist would still call that light, Jane... which
>>>> pretty much eliminates you!
>>>
>>> A RADIO astronomer would not.
>>
>> Some RADIO astronomers certaily would.
>> Google "radio telescope" + "first light" for 18 megahits.
>>
>>>> An actual physicist would understand that light waves come in a
>>>> continuous variety of sizes, frequencies and energies, a continuum
>>>> known as the electromagnetic spectrum. Perhaps you have heard of this
>>>> before? Of course, "visible light" only occupies about 1/1000th of
>>>> that spectrum... but it is nevertheless *all* considered to be
>>>> light...
>>>
>>> Rubbish. It is all EM, dopey. EM has 'bands', including one which is
>>> visible, called 'light'. gamma particles are not called light, stupid!
>>
>> Of course they are too.
>> Google gamma observatory + first light for another 6 megahits.
>>
>> But what do they all know about it?
>> They are merely professionals who have made their life's work out of it,
>> instead of some rambling usenet nobody,
> 
> Listen fool I have worked with radio engineers at a real radio telescope.
> They would be insulted if anyone called their medium 'light'.

Oh, a janitorial position in a very interesting venue. Good going girl!

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#611120

FromJane <Jane@home.com>
Date2023-05-19 07:40 +0000
Message-ID<17607b77e1490c18$3$833924$c5d34fd6@news.newsgroupdirect.com>
In reply to#611097
On Thu, 18 May 2023 22:00:48 -0500, whodat wrote:



>>> But what do they all know about it?
>>> They are merely professionals who have made their life's work out of
>>> it,
>>> instead of some rambling usenet nobody,
>> 
>> Listen fool I have worked with radio engineers at a real radio
>> telescope.
>> They would be insulted if anyone called their medium 'light'.
> 
> Oh, a janitorial position in a very interesting venue. Good going girl!

No....although we did have to clean up the site occasionally.... 
but actually we constructed very clever optical telescope right next 
door. We were photographing the sun....very interesting...

Have you ever met a real physicist before now?





-- 
-- lover of truth

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#611134

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-05-19 08:39 -0500
Message-ID<kcpcg4Fp5ujU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#611120
On 5/19/2023 2:40 AM, Jane wrote:
> On Thu, 18 May 2023 22:00:48 -0500, whodat wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>>> But what do they all know about it?
>>>> They are merely professionals who have made their life's work out of
>>>> it,
>>>> instead of some rambling usenet nobody,
>>>
>>> Listen fool I have worked with radio engineers at a real radio
>>> telescope.
>>> They would be insulted if anyone called their medium 'light'.
>>
>> Oh, a janitorial position in a very interesting venue. Good going girl!
> 
> No....although we did have to clean up the site occasionally....
> but actually we constructed very clever optical telescope right next
> door. We were photographing the sun....very interesting...
> 
> Have you ever met a real physicist before now?

I've met quite a few actually, but I'm not engaging in conversation
with one now despite your rather evasive claims to have been a
journalist. Real(tm) physicists are never journalists.

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#611248

FromJane <Jane@home.com>
Date2023-05-20 19:34 +0000
Message-ID<1760f105bcb61633$260$972675$c1d34bd6@news.newsgroupdirect.com>
In reply to#611134
On Fri, 19 May 2023 08:39:10 -0500, whodat wrote:

> On 5/19/2023 2:40 AM, Jane wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 May 2023 22:00:48 -0500, whodat wrote:
>> 

>> Have you ever met a real physicist before now?
> 
> I've met quite a few actually, but I'm not engaging in conversation with
> one now despite your rather evasive claims to have been a journalist.
> Real(tm) physicists are never journalists.

Why would they want to be. Journalists are very ordinary people who tell 
lies like relativists do....





-- 
-- lover of truth

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#611264

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-05-20 17:57 -0500
Message-ID<kct1ipFdippU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#611248
On 5/20/2023 2:34 PM, Jane wrote:
> On Fri, 19 May 2023 08:39:10 -0500, whodat wrote:
> 
>> On 5/19/2023 2:40 AM, Jane wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 May 2023 22:00:48 -0500, whodat wrote:
>>>
> 
>>> Have you ever met a real physicist before now?
>>
>> I've met quite a few actually, but I'm not engaging in conversation with
>> one now despite your rather evasive claims to have been a journalist.
>> Real(tm) physicists are never journalists.
> 
> Why would they want to be. Journalists are very ordinary people who tell
> lies like relativists do....

On May 15 (about 5 days ago) you wrote:

  "No. I don't intend even trying to publish this as a formal scientific
  paper. Nobody would touch it because what it reveals will destroy
  thousands of reputations and millions of publications. It also has a
  lot of sensational stuff that would be plagiarized by useless academics
  like some who post here. It will be for sale in Ebook of PDF format,
  copyrighted.. Some of it has already been checked for grammar but I
  think I can handle that...being a science journalist for years."

AFAIC a "science journalist" is a journalist, as you admit you have
been, now claiming journalists are liars. Thanks. And if memory
serves me this was not the only time you've made that admission.

No mater how many times though, once was adequate, the point is
made and complete. Perhaps you forgot because of your dementia
now demonstrated.

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#611282

FromJane <Jane@home.com>
Date2023-05-21 03:37 +0000
Message-ID<17610b5c1f27bd45$27$888494$11d39bdb@news.newsgroupdirect.com>
In reply to#611264
On Sat, 20 May 2023 17:57:21 -0500, whodat wrote:

> On 5/20/2023 2:34 PM, Jane wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 May 2023 08:39:10 -0500, whodat wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5/19/2023 2:40 AM, Jane wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 18 May 2023 22:00:48 -0500, whodat wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever met a real physicist before now?
>>>
>>> I've met quite a few actually, but I'm not engaging in conversation
>>> with one now despite your rather evasive claims to have been a
>>> journalist. Real(tm) physicists are never journalists.
>> 
>> Why would they want to be. Journalists are very ordinary people who
>> tell lies like relativists do....
> 
> On May 15 (about 5 days ago) you wrote:
> 
>   "No. I don't intend even trying to publish this as a formal scientific
>   paper. Nobody would touch it because what it reveals will destroy
>   thousands of reputations and millions of publications. It also has a
>   lot of sensational stuff that would be plagiarized by useless
>   academics like some who post here. It will be for sale in Ebook of PDF
>   format, copyrighted.. Some of it has already been checked for grammar
>   but I think I can handle that...being a science journalist for years."
> 
> AFAIC a "science journalist" is a journalist, as you admit you have
> been, now claiming journalists are liars. Thanks. And if memory serves
> me this was not the only time you've made that admission.
> 
> No mater how many times though, once was adequate, the point is made and
> complete. Perhaps you forgot because of your dementia now demonstrated.

Science writers are very different. We have to stick to the truth. The 
other type lie their heads of to gain publicity. In fact I think media 
journalists are largely responsible for all the trouble in the world. 
Just as soldiers want wars and dentists want tooth decay, so do 
journalists want sensationalism. The last thing they want is a peaceful 
happy world where everybody is equal and nobody runs off with the wife of 
somebody important.




-- 
-- lover of truth

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#611289

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-05-20 23:17 -0500
Message-ID<kctkb6Fft8lU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#611282
On 5/20/2023 10:37 PM, Jane wrote:
> On Sat, 20 May 2023 17:57:21 -0500, whodat wrote:
> 
>> On 5/20/2023 2:34 PM, Jane wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 May 2023 08:39:10 -0500, whodat wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/19/2023 2:40 AM, Jane wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 18 May 2023 22:00:48 -0500, whodat wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever met a real physicist before now?
>>>>
>>>> I've met quite a few actually, but I'm not engaging in conversation
>>>> with one now despite your rather evasive claims to have been a
>>>> journalist. Real(tm) physicists are never journalists.
>>>
>>> Why would they want to be. Journalists are very ordinary people who
>>> tell lies like relativists do....
>>
>> On May 15 (about 5 days ago) you wrote:
>>
>>    "No. I don't intend even trying to publish this as a formal scientific
>>    paper. Nobody would touch it because what it reveals will destroy
>>    thousands of reputations and millions of publications. It also has a
>>    lot of sensational stuff that would be plagiarized by useless
>>    academics like some who post here. It will be for sale in Ebook of PDF
>>    format, copyrighted.. Some of it has already been checked for grammar
>>    but I think I can handle that...being a science journalist for years."
>>
>> AFAIC a "science journalist" is a journalist, as you admit you have
>> been, now claiming journalists are liars. Thanks. And if memory serves
>> me this was not the only time you've made that admission.
>>
>> No mater how many times though, once was adequate, the point is made and
>> complete. Perhaps you forgot because of your dementia now demonstrated.
> 
> Science writers are very different. We have to stick to the truth.

Oh bullshit!!!!!

> The
> other type lie their heads of to gain publicity. In fact I think media
> journalists are largely responsible for all the trouble in the world.
> Just as soldiers want wars and dentists want tooth decay, so do
> journalists want sensationalism. The last thing they want is a peaceful
> happy world where everybody is equal and nobody runs off with the wife of
> somebody important.

Nicely jaded outlook with an overwide brush in this instance.

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#611106

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-05-18 22:00 -0700
Message-ID<66cee839-c9de-4f3e-8c6e-c083b2cba280n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#611092
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 6:50:37 PM UTC-7, Jane wrote:

> Listen fool I have worked with radio engineers at a real radio telescope. 
> They would be insulted if anyone called their medium 'light'. 

My, my, you keep stepping in it, over and over again...

https://hubblesite.org/contents/articles/the-electromagnetic-spectrum#:~:text=Other%20types%20of%20light%20include,second%20%E2%80%94%20the%20speed%20of%20light.

"The light we can see, made up of the individual colors of the rainbow, represents only a very small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. Other types of light include radio waves, microwaves, infrared radiation, ultraviolet rays, X-rays and gamma rays — all of which are imperceptible to human eyes." Just who is the fool here?

Some lessons are harder than others... you don't even understand high-school physics!

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#611119

FromJane <Jane@home.com>
Date2023-05-19 07:34 +0000
Message-ID<17607b243fc0b653$2$833924$c5d34fd6@news.newsgroupdirect.com>
In reply to#611106
On Thu, 18 May 2023 22:00:49 -0700, Paul Alsing wrote:

> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 6:50:37 PM UTC-7, Jane wrote:
> 
>> Listen fool I have worked with radio engineers at a real radio
>> telescope.
>> They would be insulted if anyone called their medium 'light'.
> 
> My, my, you keep stepping in it, over and over again...
> 
> https://hubblesite.org/contents/articles/the-electromagnetic-
spectrum#:~:text=Other%20types%20of%20light%20include,second%20%E2%80%94%20the%20speed%20of%20light.
> 
> "The light we can see, made up of the individual colors of the rainbow,
> represents only a very small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.
> Other types of light include radio waves, microwaves, infrared
> radiation, ultraviolet rays, X-rays and gamma rays — all of which are
> imperceptible to human eyes." Just who is the fool here?

Did you get that from your local newspaper? Every physicist knows that EM 
radiation includes light, radio waves, microwaves, infrared radiation, 
ultraviolet rays, X-rays and gamma rays.
 
> Some lessons are harder than others... you don't even understand
> high-school physics!

You should lift your self out of the 19th century.

> 
> Some lessons are harder than others... you don't even understand
> high-school physics!





-- 
-- lover of truth

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#611158

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-05-19 12:04 -0700
Message-ID<c54ae94d-f80e-4e77-902c-97b3b472d925n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#611119
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 12:35:57 AM UTC-7, Jane wrote:
> On Thu, 18 May 2023 22:00:49 -0700, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> 
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 6:50:37 PM UTC-7, Jane wrote: 
> > 
> >> Listen fool I have worked with radio engineers at a real radio 
> >> telescope.  They would be insulted if anyone called their medium 'light'. 

> > "The light we can see, made up of the individual colors of the rainbow, 
> > represents only a very small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. 
> > Other types of light include radio waves, microwaves, infrared 
> > radiation, ultraviolet rays, X-rays and gamma rays — all of which are 
> > imperceptible to human eyes." Just who is the fool here?

> Did you get that from your local newspaper? Every physicist knows that EM 
> radiation includes light, radio waves, microwaves, infrared radiation, 
> ultraviolet rays, X-rays and gamma rays.

Apparently you only just learned this, since you have earlier claimed that "... radio engineers at a real radio telescope... would be insulted if anyone called their medium 'light'."

You should be embarrassed by your former ignorance.

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#611184

FromJane <Jane@home.com>
Date2023-05-20 00:32 +0000
Message-ID<1760b2b13b4e9b2a$24$3071458$53d3d9df@news.newsgroupdirect.com>
In reply to#611106
On Thu, 18 May 2023 22:00:49 -0700, Paul Alsing wrote:

> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 6:50:37 PM UTC-7, Jane wrote:
> 
>> Listen fool I have worked with radio engineers at a real radio
>> telescope.
>> They would be insulted if anyone called their medium 'light'.
> 
> My, my, you keep stepping in it, over and over again...
> 
> https://hubblesite.org/contents/articles/the-electromagnetic-
spectrum#:~:text=Other%20types%20of%20light%20include,second%20%E2%80%94%20the%20speed%20of%20light.
> 
> "The light we can see, made up of the individual colors of the rainbow,
> represents only a very small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.
> Other types of light include radio waves, microwaves, infrared
> radiation, ultraviolet rays, X-rays and gamma rays — all of which are
> imperceptible to human eyes." Just who is the fool here?

Did you get that from your local newspaper? 
Every physicist knows that EM radiation includes light, radio waves, 
microwaves, infrared radiation, ultraviolet rays, X-rays and gamma rays.
 
> Some lessons are harder than others... you don't even understand
> high-school physics!

You should lift your self out of the 19th century.





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#611395

FromJane <Jane@home.com>
Date2023-05-23 02:12 +0000
Message-ID<1761a3eb38ed5bd6$1875$468409$cbd341d6@news.newsgroupdirect.com>
In reply to#611106
On Thu, 18 May 2023 22:00:49 -0700, Paul Alsing wrote:

> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 6:50:37 PM UTC-7, Jane wrote:
> 
>> Listen fool I have worked with radio engineers at a real radio
>> telescope.
>> They would be insulted if anyone called their medium 'light'.
> 
> My, my, you keep stepping in it, over and over again...
> 
> https://hubblesite.org/contents/articles/the-electromagnetic-
spectrum#:~:text=Other%20types%20of%20light%20include,second%20%E2%80%94%20the%20speed%20of%20light.
> 
> "The light we can see, made up of the individual colors of the rainbow,
> represents only a very small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.
> Other types of light include radio waves, microwaves, infrared
> radiation, ultraviolet rays, X-rays and gamma rays — all of which are
> imperceptible to human eyes." Just who is the fool here?
> 
> Some lessons are harder than others... you don't even understand
> high-school physics!

Obviously lesser informed people will use the word 'light' because it is 
far easier to say than 'electromagnetic radiation'. Light came first so 
the word caught on...It's like saying, "I'll use a biro....".





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#611405

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-05-22 21:15 -0700
Message-ID<4cba5c52-a0b6-4d70-a200-3aa0b2c96f45n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#611395
On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:12:49 PM UTC-7, Jane wrote:
> On Thu, 18 May 2023 22:00:49 -0700, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 6:50:37 PM UTC-7, Jane wrote: 
> > 
> >> Listen fool I have worked with radio engineers at a real radio 
> >> telescope. 
> >> They would be insulted if anyone called their medium 'light'. 
> > 
> > My, my, you keep stepping in it, over and over again... 
> > 
> > https://hubblesite.org/contents/articles/the-electromagnetic- 
> spectrum#:~:text=Other%20types%20of%20light%20include,second%20%E2%80%94%20the%20speed%20of%20light. 
> > 
> > "The light we can see, made up of the individual colors of the rainbow, 
> > represents only a very small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. 
> > Other types of light include radio waves, microwaves, infrared 
> > radiation, ultraviolet rays, X-rays and gamma rays — all of which are 
> > imperceptible to human eyes." Just who is the fool here? 
> > 
> > Some lessons are harder than others... you don't even understand 
> > high-school physics!

> Obviously lesser informed people will use the word 'light' because it is 
> far easier to say than 'electromagnetic radiation'. Light came first so 
> the word caught on...It's like saying, "I'll use a biro....".

Some *very* well informed people also use the term, since it is short and also all-inclusive.

Clearly, you have not spent any significant amount of time in the company of such people... you can bob and weave all you want, but you will never be the person that you profess to be. You are just another in a very long line of pretenders here and I don't see you lasting much longer... after all, you have yet to present even a scintilla of evidence in support of *any* of your claims...just like your Uncle John. All hat but no cowgirl to be seen...

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#611418

FromJane <Jane@home.com>
Date2023-05-23 06:31 +0000
Message-ID<1761b2100af5b6a0$35$833924$c5d34fd6@news.newsgroupdirect.com>
In reply to#611405
On Mon, 22 May 2023 21:15:35 -0700, Paul Alsing wrote:


>> Obviously lesser informed people will use the word 'light' because it
>> is far easier to say than 'electromagnetic radiation'. Light came first
>> so the word caught on...It's like saying, "I'll use a biro....".
> 
> Some *very* well informed people also use the term, since it is short
> and also all-inclusive.
> 
> Clearly, you have not spent any significant amount of time in the
> company of such people... you can bob and weave all you want, but you
> will never be the person that you profess to be. You are just another in
> a very long line of pretenders here and I don't see you lasting much
> longer... after all, you have yet to present even a scintilla of
> evidence in support of *any* of your claims...

Rubbish. I have presented loads of evidence for everything I have taught 
you people. You cannot get into your heads that you have a psychological 
block against the truth. The knowledge that I am right is too unpalatable 
for your little minds to accept.

..just like your Uncle John.
> All that but no cowgirl to be seen...





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#611004

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-05-17 10:41 -0700
Message-ID<449a739b-2332-430c-bb65-f24ddc6188d1n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#610973
On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 6:51:14 PM UTC-7, Jane wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2023 21:07:54 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> 
> > Jane <Ja...@home.com> wrote: 
> > 
> >> On Sat, 13 May 2023 10:26:23 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> >> 
> >> > Jane <Ja...@home.com> wrote: 
> >> > 
> >> >> The 'frequency of light' does not exist...nor does the frequency of 
> >> >> the balls or arrows UNLESS they are doing something special like 
> >> >> spinning. 
> >> > 
> >> > Of course light -with a source- has an intrisic frequence, 
> >> > just like your machine gun. 
> >> > It is the frequency in the frame in which the source is at rest. 
> >> > 
> >> > Your machine gun fires bullets at 10 Hz, 
> >> > as measured in your proper time. 
> >> > An exicited hydrogen atom at rest will emit hyperfine radiation with 
> >> > a frequency of 1.420 405 751 768(2) GHz (yes, it is known that 
> >> > accurately) 
> >> > again as mesured in its rest frame. 
> >> > All quite intrinsic. 
> >> 
> >> You poor brainwashed ...but otherwise perfectly decent person. Its 
> >> wavelength is measured accurately and used to divide c to produce that 
> >> number. It is not an intrinsic frequency, it is just a the wave 
> >> emission rate. Nobody has ever measured the 'frequency' of Ha. Ity 
> >> doesn't have one. 
> > 
> > Do look at how these things are actually measured. 
> > There just is no way of measuring that wavelengths to that accuracy.
> Wavelength is measured very accurately with interferometry.

Quantum mechanics says all measurement is uncertain.
The uncertainty principle shows that all measurement is inaccurate
even about accuracy.



> > Basically the reason is simple: 
> > Taking 10^12 wavelengths together is too long to measure, 
> > let alone to measure accurately. 
> > OTOH measuring the frequency is just counting for long enough.
> The H line is not light, It is in the IR/radio bandwidth. 
> What can be counted is its wave arrival rate. 
> The waves themselves do not oscillate.
> > Jan 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -- lover of truth

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#610624

FromTom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2023-05-13 10:39 -0500
Message-ID<jz6dnRxBuIGjMsL5nZ2dnZfqlJ9j4p2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#610546
On 5/12/23 7:20 PM, Jane wrote:
> The 'frequency of light' does not exist...

Sure it does, and you have said so yourself (apparently without 
realizing it):

On 3/22/23 1:43 AM, Jane wrote:
> I prefer the classical form [for plane-wave solutions to Maxwell's
> vacuum equations]
> E = E0 sin(2pi[r/l - wt)] B = B0 sin(2pi[r/l - wt)]

There is the frequency of the wave, clear as day: w.

     [Ignore the mildly unusual notation; most writers use
      f for frequency and w for 2pif.]

As I have said before, you merely rely on unusual meanings of words and 
then complain about the linguistic confusion. Grow Up!

Tom Roberts

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#610728

FromJane <Jane@home.com>
Date2023-05-14 02:41 +0000
Message-ID<175ee2495ac2d854$1$1605768$4bd3c1de@news.newsgroupdirect.com>
In reply to#610624
On Sat, 13 May 2023 10:39:42 -0500, Tom Roberts wrote:

> On 5/12/23 7:20 PM, Jane wrote:
>> The 'frequency of light' does not exist...
> 
> Sure it does, and you have said so yourself (apparently without
> realizing it):
> 
> On 3/22/23 1:43 AM, Jane wrote:
>> I prefer the classical form [for plane-wave solutions to Maxwell's
>> vacuum equations]
>> E = E0 sin(2pi[r/l - wt)] B = B0 sin(2pi[r/l - wt)]
> 
> There is the frequency of the wave, clear as day: w.

Oh dear, Tommy simply refuses to learn. 
The dependent variabLe is AMPLITUDE (or intensity). Your above equations 
describe how the amplitude of E and B fields vary AT A FIXED value of 
l...as the 'frozen' wave moves past.
The wave shape DOES NOT OSCILLATE. it just moves past the point l and 
generates a 'frequency' that for radio or ocean waves, can be easily 
detected.

>      [Ignore the mildly unusual notation; most writers use
>       f for frequency and w for 2pif.]

Interestingly, for a radio signal, f and  are known. f is the AC frequency 
and/or the wave emission rate and λ = c/f, determined at the source (by the 
first cycle, say). Light does not have a known equivalent of an AC signal 
but it has a measureable wavelength and has been given a hypothetical 
frequency for no reason other than the fact that it appears to move at the 
same speed as radio. 

> As I have said before, you merely rely on unusual meanings of words and
> then complain about the linguistic confusion. Grow Up!

No Tommy, I rely on pure Pkysics and the correct meaning of the TWE.... so 
try to do your homework properly, like a good boy.

> Tom Roberts





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#610729

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-05-13 23:02 -0500
Message-ID<kcb4r9FdoblU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#610728
On 5/13/2023 9:41 PM, Jane wrote:
> On Sat, 13 May 2023 10:39:42 -0500, Tom Roberts wrote:
> 
>> On 5/12/23 7:20 PM, Jane wrote:
>>> The 'frequency of light' does not exist...
>>
>> Sure it does, and you have said so yourself (apparently without
>> realizing it):
>>
>> On 3/22/23 1:43 AM, Jane wrote:
>>> I prefer the classical form [for plane-wave solutions to Maxwell's
>>> vacuum equations]
>>> E = E0 sin(2pi[r/l - wt)] B = B0 sin(2pi[r/l - wt)]
>>
>> There is the frequency of the wave, clear as day: w.
> 
> Oh dear, Tommy simply refuses to learn.
> The dependent variabLe is AMPLITUDE (or intensity). Your above equations
> describe how the amplitude of E and B fields vary AT A FIXED value of
> l...as the 'frozen' wave moves past.
> The wave shape DOES NOT OSCILLATE. it just moves past the point l and
> generates a 'frequency' that for radio or ocean waves, can be easily
> detected.

>>       [Ignore the mildly unusual notation; most writers use
>>        f for frequency and w for 2pif.]
> 
> Interestingly, for a radio signal, f and  are known. f is the AC frequency
> and/or the wave emission rate and λ = c/f, determined at the source (by the
> first cycle, say). Light does not have a known equivalent of an AC signal
> but it has a measureable wavelength and has been given a hypothetical
> frequency for no reason other than the fact that it appears to move at the
> same speed as radio.


See "polarization."



>> As I have said before, you merely rely on unusual meanings of words and
>> then complain about the linguistic confusion. Grow Up!
> 
> No Tommy, I rely on pure Pkysics and the correct meaning of the TWE.... so
> try to do your homework properly, like a good boy.

What is "pure physics" and provide an example as well as compare that
to all other kinds of physics.

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#610797

FromJane <Jane@home.com>
Date2023-05-15 00:01 +0000
Message-ID<175f2821444f97d3$1$944188$c1d34bd6@news.newsgroupdirect.com>
In reply to#610729
On Sat, 13 May 2023 23:02:41 -0500, whodat wrote:

> On 5/13/2023 9:41 PM, Jane wrote:

> 
>>> As I have said before, you merely rely on unusual meanings of words
>>> and then complain about the linguistic confusion. Grow Up!
>> 
>> No Tommy, I rely on pure Pkysics and the correct meaning of the TWE....
>> so try to do your homework properly, like a good boy.
> 
> What is "pure physics" and provide an example as well as compare that to
> all other kinds of physics.

Established physics as distinct from Tommy's imaginary version. Being a non 
scientist, you probably don't understand what that implies ...or really 
care.

As the name suggests, the 'traveling wave equation' describes a sine wave 
that moves (horizontally, say). it does not change in any way as it moves.
As it passes a point, (a fixed value of x, in the equation) its amplitudde 
varies sinusoidally.

That is the basis of radio broadcasting and the reason why a bouy goes up 
and down as waves pass it. It seems that Tommy, who constantly advises 
other people to learn some basic physics, knows very little himself.







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