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  Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Goat Dancing Gubu <goat@dancing.gubu.invalid> - 2022-12-04 10:49 -0600
    Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> - 2022-12-04 17:00 +0000
    Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> - 2023-01-30 20:47 +0000
    Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 10:14 -0800
      Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 19:33 +0100
        Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 11:03 -0800
          Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-02-02 09:03 +0100
            Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-02-02 00:56 -0800
            Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-02 15:48 -0500
              Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Alexander Basso <axsd@daoadnbl.ba> - 2023-02-02 23:04 +0000
                Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-03 17:07 -0500
                  Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Olen Marchioni <rnai@iinlolcl.no> - 2023-02-03 22:46 +0000
                    Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-02-03 17:35 -0600
                      Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Olen Marchioni <rnai@iinlolcl.no> - 2023-02-04 01:11 +0000
                        Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-02-03 19:18 -0600
                          Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Olen Marchioni <rnai@iinlolcl.no> - 2023-02-04 01:29 +0000
                            Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-02-03 23:14 -0600
                    Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 19:17 -0800
                    Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-04 00:41 -0500
                      Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Johni Luzzatto <ujzj@jizhjunz.ln> - 2023-02-04 18:20 +0000
              Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-02-02 23:31 -0800
                Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-03 16:51 -0500
      Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Halsey Rustici <shhs@ersiee.ts> - 2023-02-02 01:26 +0000
        Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 21:29 -0800
          Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2023-02-02 13:14 -0800
            Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Alexander Basso <axsd@daoadnbl.ba> - 2023-02-02 21:57 +0000
              Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-02 20:14 -0500
                Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-02-02 19:31 -0600
                Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Alexander Basso <axsd@daoadnbl.ba> - 2023-02-03 14:38 +0000
                Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 07:22 -0800
                  Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-03 18:19 -0500
                    Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 16:48 -0800
                      Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-02-03 19:16 -0600
            Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-02-03 11:37 +0100
              Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-03 16:12 -0500
    Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesaispu.fr> - 2023-02-01 18:27 +0000
    Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 14:10 -0800
      Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. Olen Marchioni <rnai@iinlolcl.no> - 2023-02-04 01:43 +0000
    Re: Why we know relativity is nonsensical religious goat-dancing gubu. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-02-04 13:10 -0800

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#600683

On Thursday, 2 February 2023 at 21:48:38 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 2/2/2023 3:03 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: 
> > On 2023-02-01 19:03:52 +0000, Maciej Wozniak said: 
> > 
> >> On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 19:33:40 UTC+1, Athel Cornish-Bowden 
> >> wrote: 
> >>> On 2023-02-01 18:14:05 +0000, JanPB said: 
> 
> >>>> Gobbledygook. 
> >>> Yes, but I expect some of our nutters believe a lot of it. 
> >> 
> >> Oh,  do you? You're such an arrogant idiot. 
> > 
> > Maybe you're right if by "arrogant" you mean that I don't think I'm as 
> > stupid and ignorant as many of the contributors to this group -- Richard 
> > Hertz, Richard Hachel, Pat Dolan, Ken Seto, Pentcho Valev, George 
> > Hammond MS Physics, your good self .... 
> >
> Yes, those guys including Maciej demonstrate Dunning-Kruger (at minimum) 

And 9 192 631 770 ISO idiocy is an obvious "Newton mode".
Sure, stupid Mike, sure.

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#600721

On 2/3/2023 2:31 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Thursday, 2 February 2023 at 21:48:38 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>> On 2/2/2023 3:03 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>> On 2023-02-01 19:03:52 +0000, Maciej Wozniak said:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 19:33:40 UTC+1, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-02-01 18:14:05 +0000, JanPB said:
>>
>>>>>> Gobbledygook.
>>>>> Yes, but I expect some of our nutters believe a lot of it.
>>>>
>>>> Oh,  do you? You're such an arrogant idiot.
>>>
>>> Maybe you're right if by "arrogant" you mean that I don't think I'm as
>>> stupid and ignorant as many of the contributors to this group -- Richard
>>> Hertz, Richard Hachel, Pat Dolan, Ken Seto, Pentcho Valev, George
>>> Hammond MS Physics, your good self ....
>>>
>> Yes, those guys including Maciej demonstrate Dunning-Kruger (at minimum)
> 
> And 9 192 631 770 ISO idiocy is an obvious "Newton mode".

Not even wrong.

(and speaking of Dunning-Kruger...)

Maybe one of these days you'd care to explain why you think the ISO 
definition of a second has anything to do with "Newton Mode".

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#600619

JanPB wrote:

> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:49:17 PM UTC+1, Goat Dancing Gubu
>> The Devil truly has deceived the whole world. Get your nerd head
>> unstuck from your own ass. Space is fake. Relativity is fake. Nuclear
>> weapons are fake. Heliocentrism is fake. This is the religion your
>> masters invented to control you.
>> All of this bullshit you have been raised to believe forms a prison for
>> your mind.
>
> Gobbledygook.

you guys are completely electricians. Instead of sending leopard tanks, 
jets, missiles, ammunition etc to uKraine, why not sending directly the 
coffins and jump the middle man. Also, if germony and polakia are sending 
tanks to uKraine, the Russia Federation should send missiles in return, 
over Barlin and Warshava etc, to balance the growth deficit.

they actually might send missiles over Barlin and Warshava right now, to 
balance the growth deficit.

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#600627

On 2/1/2023 5:26 PM, Halsey Rustici wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:49:17 PM UTC+1, Goat Dancing Gubu
>>> The Devil truly has deceived the whole world. Get your nerd head
>>> unstuck from your own ass. Space is fake. Relativity is fake. Nuclear
>>> weapons are fake. Heliocentrism is fake. This is the religion your
>>> masters invented to control you.
>>> All of this bullshit you have been raised to believe forms a prison for
>>> your mind.
>>
>> Gobbledygook.
> 
> you guys are completely electricians. Instead of sending leopard tanks,
> jets, missiles, ammunition etc to uKraine, why not sending directly the
> coffins and jump the middle man. Also, if germony and polakia are sending
> tanks to uKraine, the Russia Federation should send missiles in return,
> over Barlin and Warshava etc, to balance the growth deficit.
> 
> they actually might send missiles over Barlin and Warshava right now, to
> balance the growth deficit.

Why not send the weapons the US left behind in Afghanistan?

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#600663

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:29:07 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
> Why not send the weapons the US left behind in Afghanistan?

Better yet, why not send Afghans to Ukraine to fight the Russians
with our left-behind weapons?

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#600667

Gary Harnagel wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:29:07 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson
> wrote:
>> 
>> Why not send the weapons the US left behind in Afghanistan?
> 
> Better yet, why not send Afghans to Ukraine t̶o̶ f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶s̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶
> our left-behind weapons?

why won't you better suck some large dicks, once the afghans fucked your 
asses anywhere anytime. Amazing, this wanker above already forgot getting 
his ass severely beaten OUT of Afghanistan. Next for the afghani, unite 
with The Russian Federation, China, Turkey, Africa, etc come and beat your 
ass OUT of the north america, an illegaly occupied territory through 
genocide and crimes against humanity.

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#600671

On 2/2/2023 4:57 PM, Alexander Basso wrote:
> Gary Harnagel wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:29:07 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why not send the weapons the US left behind in Afghanistan?
>>
>> Better yet, why not send Afghans to Ukraine t̶o̶ f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶s̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶
>> our left-behind weapons?
> 
> why won't you better suck some large dicks, once the afghans fucked your
> asses anywhere anytime. Amazing, this wanker above already forgot getting
> his ass severely beaten OUT of Afghanistan.

Nymshifter, what you left out is how the Afghans kicked Soviet ass so 
badly the Soviet Union fell apart. In other words, the Afghans didn't 
just defeat Russia but the entirety of the Soviet Union!

No potato for you tonight!

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#600673

On 2/2/2023 7:14 PM, Volney wrote:
> On 2/2/2023 4:57 PM, Alexander Basso wrote:
>> Gary Harnagel wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:29:07 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why not send the weapons the US left behind in Afghanistan?
>>>
>>> Better yet, why not send Afghans to Ukraine t̶o̶ f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶s̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶
>>> our left-behind weapons?
>>
>> why won't you better suck some large dicks, once the afghans fucked your
>> asses anywhere anytime. Amazing, this wanker above already forgot getting
>> his ass severely beaten OUT of Afghanistan.
> 
> Nymshifter, what you left out is how the Afghans kicked Soviet ass so 
> badly the Soviet Union fell apart. In other words, the Afghans didn't 
> just defeat Russia but the entirety of the Soviet Union!
> 
> No potato for you tonight!

Yep, that's what happens when someone eats too many rotten potatoes,
too much vodka.

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#600695

Volney wrote:

>>> Better yet, why not send Afghans to Ukraine t̶o̶ f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶
>>> R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶s̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶ our left-behind weapons?
>> 
>> why won't you better suck some large dicks, once the afghans fucked
>> your asses anywhere anytime. Amazing, this wanker above already forgot
>> getting his ass severely beaten OUT of Afghanistan.
> 
> Nymshifter, what you left out is how the A̶f̶g̶h̶a̶n̶s̶ k̶i̶c̶k̶e̶d̶ S̶o̶v̶i̶e̶t̶ a̶s̶s̶ s̶o̶
> b̶a̶d̶l̶y̶ t̶h̶e̶ S̶o̶v̶i̶e̶t̶ U̶n̶i̶o̶n̶ f̶e̶l̶l̶ a̶p̶a̶r̶t̶. In other words, the A̶f̶g̶h̶a̶n̶s̶ d̶i̶d̶n̶'t̶
> j̶u̶s̶t̶ d̶e̶f̶e̶a̶t̶ R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶ b̶u̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ e̶n̶t̶i̶r̶e̶t̶y̶ o̶f̶ t̶h̶e̶ S̶o̶v̶i̶e̶t̶ U̶n̶i̶o̶n̶! 
> No potato for you tonight!

no really. This *_usenet_user_willingly_imbecile_* is rewriting history. 
The Russians understood the afghans will never rise up to the benefit of 
*_communism_*, not wanting advances and development, as industry, 
*_infrastructure_and_travelling_into_space_*. So they gave up.

however, the */_english_pigs_/* are *corroding* countries, making for 
instance *_Russians_fighting_Russians_*, through criminal nazist, fascist 
and *_capitalist_propaganda_*, as they did, and do, in the fucking non-
existent uKraine. They told them *_"you_uKronazis_are_special"_*, making 
them forget they are Russians.

the same thing, these deformed */_english_pigs_/*, did in the fucking 
*_braindead_america_*, where *_the_american_killed_american_*. The same 
are doing indonesia, did in China, India, Argentina etc.

that's how they commit *_crimes_against_humanity_*, from that 
*_inbreed_wankers_* populated island, you *_fucking_braindead_imbecile_*.

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#600697

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:14:11 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> On 2/2/2023 4:57 PM, Alexander Basso wrote: 
> > Gary Harnagel wrote: 
> > 
> >> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:29:07 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson 
> >> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> Why not send the weapons the US left behind in Afghanistan? 
> >> 
> >> Better yet, why not send Afghans to Ukraine t̶o̶ f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶s̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶ 
> >> our left-behind weapons? 
> > 
> > why won't you better suck some large dicks, once the afghans fucked your 
> > asses anywhere anytime. Amazing, this wanker above already forgot getting 
> > his ass severely beaten OUT of Afghanistan.
> Nymshifter, what you left out is how the Afghans kicked Soviet ass so 
> badly the Soviet Union fell apart. In other words, the Afghans didn't 
> just defeat Russia but the entirety of the Soviet Union! 
> 
> No potato for you tonight!

How did it go for US, even with the 3.2 trillion USD spent there (20% for the big guy)?

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#600728

On 2/3/2023 10:22 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:14:11 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
>> On 2/2/2023 4:57 PM, Alexander Basso wrote:
>>> Gary Harnagel wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:29:07 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not send the weapons the US left behind in Afghanistan?
>>>>
>>>> Better yet, why not send Afghans to Ukraine t̶o̶ f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶s̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶
>>>> our left-behind weapons?
>>>
>>> why won't you better suck some large dicks, once the afghans fucked your
>>> asses anywhere anytime. Amazing, this wanker above already forgot getting
>>> his ass severely beaten OUT of Afghanistan.
>> Nymshifter, what you left out is how the Afghans kicked Soviet ass so
>> badly the Soviet Union fell apart. In other words, the Afghans didn't
>> just defeat Russia but the entirety of the Soviet Union!
>>
>> No potato for you tonight!
> 
> How did it go for US, even with the 3.2 trillion USD spent there (20% for the big guy)?

Obviously not well. At least the US didn't break up over it.

 From what I see, the US is very good at overrunning/conquering a 
country and terrible at occupying one, at least ones which don't want to 
be occupied. (W. Germany & Japan after WW2 went well).

Secondly, if you are going to fight a war, you have to go all out, 
everything short of nukes and war crimes, of course. Vietnam shows what 
happens in a "limited war" and occupation of those who didn't want it. 
Ukraine with certain weapons not being given is the same way. If Ukraine 
had the weapons they ask for, Russia would be kicked out relatively 
quickly if the Kerch Bridge and certain distant Russian assets kept 
getting blown up and Russia would have to give up IMO. The way it is, 
the war will drag on, and probably more will die this way, especially if 
卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 keeps committing war crimes and bombing apartment buildings 
and hospitals. And Russia is likely to disintegrate into multiple 
countries within 5 years.

Afghanistan? The first part went quite well. Afghanistan went from about 
95% Taliban controlled to about 10% Taliban controlled in about 3 
months. Then the occupation/kinder, gentler war phase started, and 
everything went to hell for about 20 years. We had two goals, get bin 
Laden and fight back the Taliban for protecting him. We should have 
gotten out right after bin Laden was killed. The way we *did* get out 
was 100% wrong. Even I know the following: Get all those who are under 
severe threat for cooperating with the US, then non-military westerners 
who want out, then military people and assets (or destroy them), and the 
last to leave are the toughest units tasked with getting the remainder 
of the military out while fighting off any threat attacking them.

Of course the Afghan "army" immediately vanished, and the Taliban never 
kept the promises supposedly negotiated with them (they're even worse 
than 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐!) The US should have known both would happen.

First Iraq war went well. We came, we kicked ass, we got out. The 
second? We should never have been there at all.

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#600732

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 8:18:59 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> On 2/3/2023 10:22 AM, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:14:11 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: 
> >> On 2/2/2023 4:57 PM, Alexander Basso wrote: 
> >>> Gary Harnagel wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:29:07 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson 
> >>>> wrote: 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Why not send the weapons the US left behind in Afghanistan? 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Better yet, why not send Afghans to Ukraine t̶o̶ f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶s̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶ 
> >>>> our left-behind weapons? 
> >>> 
> >>> why won't you better suck some large dicks, once the afghans fucked your 
> >>> asses anywhere anytime. Amazing, this wanker above already forgot getting 
> >>> his ass severely beaten OUT of Afghanistan. 
> >> Nymshifter, what you left out is how the Afghans kicked Soviet ass so 
> >> badly the Soviet Union fell apart. In other words, the Afghans didn't 
> >> just defeat Russia but the entirety of the Soviet Union! 
> >> 
> >> No potato for you tonight! 
> > 
> > How did it go for US, even with the 3.2 trillion USD spent there (20% for the big guy)?
> Obviously not well. At least the US didn't break up over it. 
> 
> From what I see, the US is very good at overrunning/conquering a 
> country and terrible at occupying one, at least ones which don't want to 
> be occupied. (W. Germany & Japan after WW2 went well). 
> 
> Secondly, if you are going to fight a war, you have to go all out, 
> everything short of nukes and war crimes, of course. Vietnam shows what 
> happens in a "limited war" and occupation of those who didn't want it. 
> Ukraine with certain weapons not being given is the same way. If Ukraine 
> had the weapons they ask for, Russia would be kicked out relatively 
> quickly if the Kerch Bridge and certain distant Russian assets kept 
> getting blown up and Russia would have to give up IMO. The way it is, 
> the war will drag on, and probably more will die this way, especially if 
> 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 keeps committing war crimes and bombing apartment buildings 
> and hospitals. And Russia is likely to disintegrate into multiple 
> countries within 5 years. 
> 
> Afghanistan? The first part went quite well. Afghanistan went from about 
> 95% Taliban controlled to about 10% Taliban controlled in about 3 
> months. Then the occupation/kinder, gentler war phase started, and 
> everything went to hell for about 20 years. We had two goals, get bin 
> Laden and fight back the Taliban for protecting him. We should have 
> gotten out right after bin Laden was killed. The way we *did* get out 
> was 100% wrong. Even I know the following: Get all those who are under 
> severe threat for cooperating with the US, then non-military westerners 
> who want out, then military people and assets (or destroy them), and the 
> last to leave are the toughest units tasked with getting the remainder 
> of the military out while fighting off any threat attacking them. 
> 
> Of course the Afghan "army" immediately vanished, and the Taliban never 
> kept the promises supposedly negotiated with them (they're even worse 
> than 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐!) The US should have known both would happen. 
> 
> First Iraq war went well. We came, we kicked ass, we got out. The 
> second? We should never have been there at all.

What you don't realize, arrogant coward armchair warrior, is the real nature of the Ukranian war.

While NATO has been shitting bricks since Feb 2022, and the Pentagon too, Russia is taking its time to deplete 
his obsolete arsenal, improve new warfare and XXI century military doctrines for optimal cost/benefit.

The Ukraine TOW (Theater of War) is being followed with extreme care by ALL the military of every country in the world.
And the above has direct influence on the more than 60 million persons that "work" in the military complex at each country,
more than 10,000 companies involved in the wide range of military gear, more than 5 million persons involved in politics and
finances of "the art of war", more than 1 million persons involved in black markets for weapons and systems for war/peace, etc.

In the last year, many companies went down after failing with his donations to Ukraine, and several others went up after their
HW performed well or extremely well. Also, MANY companies involved in the heavy outputs of the MIC in the "collective West"
had a very rude awakening, realizing that THEY ARE OBSOLETE because asymmetric warfare is THE NEW PARADIGM.

So goes down manufacturers of fighter jets (your shitty F-35), aircraft carriers, destroyers, tanks and alike, and up go the
industry of drones of any kind, passive radars, smart shells for howitzers, net-centric datacomm gear and other XXI century HW.

US will be forced to spend 5 trillion USD to renew its entire war machinery, and this is just for a start.

Not for nothing, through the suckers of NATO countries, all the HW considered "obsolete by force" is being given to Ukraine.

China is the one that is going to have the maximum gain over this deadly game, as well as Iran, NK and Israel. They take every
bit of information available (by any means) and enhance their infrastructure at almost zero cost.

The RED LINE for a major, nuclear escalation between US and Russia is rather well-defined. Both sides know it, and play this
shitty game nicely, with US in a VERY defensive position. They know that Russia has the power to annihilate USA, and that
even when this power is symmetric, no one wants to reach to that final point.

Meanwhile, Europe (a joke, country after country) is not of interest for Russia, which is not going back to its prior interests.
They only want money and "fuck the UE".

Russia is realizing that the New World is ASIAN, and is ready to partner China in a secondary role.

You better start to learn Chinese, and imagine what will be Red Dawn III.

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#600735

On 2/3/2023 6:48 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 8:18:59 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
>> On 2/3/2023 10:22 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:14:11 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2023 4:57 PM, Alexander Basso wrote:
>>>>> Gary Harnagel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:29:07 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not send the weapons the US left behind in Afghanistan?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Better yet, why not send Afghans to Ukraine t̶o̶ f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶s̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶
>>>>>> our left-behind weapons?
>>>>>
>>>>> why won't you better suck some large dicks, once the afghans fucked your
>>>>> asses anywhere anytime. Amazing, this wanker above already forgot getting
>>>>> his ass severely beaten OUT of Afghanistan.
>>>> Nymshifter, what you left out is how the Afghans kicked Soviet ass so
>>>> badly the Soviet Union fell apart. In other words, the Afghans didn't
>>>> just defeat Russia but the entirety of the Soviet Union!
>>>>
>>>> No potato for you tonight!
>>>
>>> How did it go for US, even with the 3.2 trillion USD spent there (20% for the big guy)?
>> Obviously not well. At least the US didn't break up over it.
>>
>>  From what I see, the US is very good at overrunning/conquering a
>> country and terrible at occupying one, at least ones which don't want to
>> be occupied. (W. Germany & Japan after WW2 went well).
>>
>> Secondly, if you are going to fight a war, you have to go all out,
>> everything short of nukes and war crimes, of course. Vietnam shows what
>> happens in a "limited war" and occupation of those who didn't want it.
>> Ukraine with certain weapons not being given is the same way. If Ukraine
>> had the weapons they ask for, Russia would be kicked out relatively
>> quickly if the Kerch Bridge and certain distant Russian assets kept
>> getting blown up and Russia would have to give up IMO. The way it is,
>> the war will drag on, and probably more will die this way, especially if
>> 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 keeps committing war crimes and bombing apartment buildings
>> and hospitals. And Russia is likely to disintegrate into multiple
>> countries within 5 years.
>>
>> Afghanistan? The first part went quite well. Afghanistan went from about
>> 95% Taliban controlled to about 10% Taliban controlled in about 3
>> months. Then the occupation/kinder, gentler war phase started, and
>> everything went to hell for about 20 years. We had two goals, get bin
>> Laden and fight back the Taliban for protecting him. We should have
>> gotten out right after bin Laden was killed. The way we *did* get out
>> was 100% wrong. Even I know the following: Get all those who are under
>> severe threat for cooperating with the US, then non-military westerners
>> who want out, then military people and assets (or destroy them), and the
>> last to leave are the toughest units tasked with getting the remainder
>> of the military out while fighting off any threat attacking them.
>>
>> Of course the Afghan "army" immediately vanished, and the Taliban never
>> kept the promises supposedly negotiated with them (they're even worse
>> than 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐!) The US should have known both would happen.
>>
>> First Iraq war went well. We came, we kicked ass, we got out. The
>> second? We should never have been there at all.
> 
> What you don't realize, arrogant coward armchair warrior, is the real nature of the Ukranian war.
> 
> While NATO has been shitting bricks since Feb 2022, and the Pentagon too, 



> Russia is taking its time to deplete his obsolete arsenal, 
> improve new warfare and XXI century military doctrines for optimal cost/benefit.




Nobody, even insane dictators, deplete people (soldiers) hopeful
that they'll get better ones as replacements. Russia took decades
to rebuild its population after WW2 so even today as a nation
knows better than to waste their human capital. Unfortunately
human capital is wasted in every war, the winning side simply
wastes less of it.

You're falling for the traditional propaganda, as lousy as it is.
I'd have thought you would know better but it appears you're a
victim just as much as the canon fodder. After all, it is those
soldiers who in better timed create the wealth enjoyed by the
oligarchs, unfortunately the ultimate goal of every government.

<snip rest of crap, might be some good stuff too, can't be bothered
reading the rest.>

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#600687

Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:29:07 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > 
> > Why not send the weapons the US left behind in Afghanistan?
> 
> Better yet, why not send Afghans to Ukraine to fight the Russians
> with our left-behind weapons?

Just the opposite thing is happening.
The Russians are recruiting Afghan mecenaries,

Jan

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#600717

On 2/3/2023 5:37 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:29:07 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>
>>> Why not send the weapons the US left behind in Afghanistan?
>>
>> Better yet, why not send Afghans to Ukraine to fight the Russians
>> with our left-behind weapons?
> 
> Just the opposite thing is happening.
> The Russians are recruiting Afghan mecenaries,
> 
We'll probably see some ex-Afghan US gear in Ukraine shortly, on the 
Russian side.

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#600607

Le 04/12/2022 à 17:49, Goat Dancing Gubu a écrit :

> "It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been 
> fooled." -- Mark Twain

 Sure.

 R.H. 

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#600723

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:49:17 PM UTC+1, Goat Dancing Gubu wrote:
> "It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been 
> fooled." -- Mark Twain 
> 
> The International Space Station is a movie set. Some of the scenes are 
> filmed on a zero-G plane. There is not International Space Station. 
> 
> The space program is a hoax and it has been a fraud from day one. 
> 
> Man never went to the moon. 
> 
> There are no satellites in outer space orbiting the earth. 
> 
> 'Satellite' communications are terrestrial radio-based. 
> 
> GPS existed in the 1940s before the concept of the 'satellite' had even 
> been sold to a gullible public. In the 1940s, GPS was called LORAN. It 
> was used extensively by the Army and Navy, even over the high seas, to 
> pinpoint locations. 
> 
> The GPS on your phone uses cell towers, not orbital space satellites. 
> 
> Recent experiments have proven that combustion and thrust are both 
> impossible in a vacuum. Not even common explosives can detonate in a 
> vacuum. That throws a monkey wrench in the rockets-to-space and 
> probes-to-pluto hoax. 
> 
> NASA still cannot provide a single photograph of earth from space. All 
> they give you is composites from high-altitude airplanes. But they can 
> give you photoshop Hubble images of galaxies that are pure fantasy. And 
> you believe it. You believe every lie. 
> 
> As long as your masters tell you that butt sex is good and pure, you 
> will believe anything they tell you. Just don't take our butt sex from 
> us, and we'll believe your cosmology. Since it starts with a giant black 
> hole fart bang, we'll slurp it up with a smile! 
> 
> Since we know that the earth is flat, and is not a hypersonic spinning 
> ball in a giant exploding black hole big bang queer fart vacuum, we know 
> that relativity is nonsensical metaphysical gubu. You 
> self-congratulating geniuses have been fooled. 
> 
> Earth is a stationary, level plane. It is not 'floating in space.' It is 
> a endless plane that extends interminably in all directions. 
> 
> Antarctica is not a ice patch at the bottom of a ball. Antarctica is a 
> massive, ring-shaped continent that surrounds all the other continents 
> and forms the basin in which the oceans are contained. Antarctica is the 
> shoreline of the seven continents. 
> 
> Admiral Richard Byrd of the U.S. Navy went on national television and 
> gave an interview in which he said his fleet discovered a new continent 
> beyond, and on the other size of the frozen waste of Antarctica. 
> 
> That means there is an eighth continent. And your devil-worshiping 
> rulers don't want you to escape there. 
> 
> Nuclear weapons do not exist. That is another hoax. They show you grainy 
> old videos of a truckload of dynamite creating a mushroom cloud and tell 
> you it's a nuclear bomb. And you believe it! 
> 
> They brainwashed the children for three generations by making them do 
> nuclear bomb drills in the schools, having the children climb under 
> their desks and pray for salvation from the bomb. This is child abuse. 
> 
> The Devil truly has deceived the whole world. Get your nerd head unstuck 
> from your own ass. Space is fake. Relativity is fake. Nuclear weapons 
> are fake. Heliocentrism is fake. This is the religion your masters 
> invented to control you. 
> 
> All of this bullshit you have been raised to believe forms a prison for 
> your mind. 
> 
> https://jeranism.com 
> https://theflatearthpodcast.com 
> https://atlanteanconspiracy.com

Gobbledygook.

--
Jan

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#600740

JanPB wrote:

>> All of this bullshit you have been raised to believe forms a prison for
>> your mind.
>> 
>> https://jeranism.com https://theflatearthpodcast.com
>> https://atlanteanconspiracy.com
> 
> Gobbledygook.

amazing, paraphrase 

"you can't see *_a_balloon_* over Pacific, Alaska, Canada and America, how 
would you see a *_Mach_10_missile_* ??"

25:40 EMP Practice Run? Why Didn’t Norad Protect USA?
https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/%76%69%64%65%6f/S3eHl3pdqkvE

you are fucked up. That's what happens letting a corporation be run by a 
deep corrupt govn with assets in stupid "countries" as nazi uKraine.

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#600784

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:49:17 PM UTC+1, Goat Dancing Gubu wrote:
> "It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been 
> fooled." -- Mark Twain 
> 
> The International Space Station is a movie set. Some of the scenes are 
> filmed on a zero-G plane. There is not International Space Station. 
> 
> The space program is a hoax and it has been a fraud from day one. 
> 
> Man never went to the moon. 
> 
> There are no satellites in outer space orbiting the earth. 
> 
> 'Satellite' communications are terrestrial radio-based. 
> 
> GPS existed in the 1940s before the concept of the 'satellite' had even 
> been sold to a gullible public. In the 1940s, GPS was called LORAN. It 
> was used extensively by the Army and Navy, even over the high seas, to 
> pinpoint locations. 
> 
> The GPS on your phone uses cell towers, not orbital space satellites. 
> 
> Recent experiments have proven that combustion and thrust are both 
> impossible in a vacuum. Not even common explosives can detonate in a 
> vacuum. That throws a monkey wrench in the rockets-to-space and 
> probes-to-pluto hoax. 
> 
> NASA still cannot provide a single photograph of earth from space. All 
> they give you is composites from high-altitude airplanes. But they can 
> give you photoshop Hubble images of galaxies that are pure fantasy. And 
> you believe it. You believe every lie. 
> 
> As long as your masters tell you that butt sex is good and pure, you 
> will believe anything they tell you. Just don't take our butt sex from 
> us, and we'll believe your cosmology. Since it starts with a giant black 
> hole fart bang, we'll slurp it up with a smile! 
> 
> Since we know that the earth is flat, and is not a hypersonic spinning 
> ball in a giant exploding black hole big bang queer fart vacuum, we know 
> that relativity is nonsensical metaphysical gubu. You 
> self-congratulating geniuses have been fooled. 
> 
> Earth is a stationary, level plane. It is not 'floating in space.' It is 
> a endless plane that extends interminably in all directions. 
> 
> Antarctica is not a ice patch at the bottom of a ball. Antarctica is a 
> massive, ring-shaped continent that surrounds all the other continents 
> and forms the basin in which the oceans are contained. Antarctica is the 
> shoreline of the seven continents. 
> 
> Admiral Richard Byrd of the U.S. Navy went on national television and 
> gave an interview in which he said his fleet discovered a new continent 
> beyond, and on the other size of the frozen waste of Antarctica. 
> 
> That means there is an eighth continent. And your devil-worshiping 
> rulers don't want you to escape there. 
> 
> Nuclear weapons do not exist. That is another hoax. They show you grainy 
> old videos of a truckload of dynamite creating a mushroom cloud and tell 
> you it's a nuclear bomb. And you believe it! 
> 
> They brainwashed the children for three generations by making them do 
> nuclear bomb drills in the schools, having the children climb under 
> their desks and pray for salvation from the bomb. This is child abuse. 
> 
> The Devil truly has deceived the whole world. Get your nerd head unstuck 
> from your own ass. Space is fake. Relativity is fake. Nuclear weapons 
> are fake. Heliocentrism is fake. This is the religion your masters 
> invented to control you. 
> 
> All of this bullshit you have been raised to believe forms a prison for 
> your mind. 
> 
> https://jeranism.com 
> https://theflatearthpodcast.com 
> https://atlanteanconspiracy.com

An idiotic rant.

--
Jan

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